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October 16, 2008

Ronald Weinland under Demonic Delusion – Biblical Proof.

Ronald Weinland said earlier in the year , that if by July 2008, America was not nuked, he would not only declare himself a false prophet but also insane. Obviously, America was not nuked in July; which by Ronald’s own words makes him an insane false prophet……not to mention a liar.. He has just made more excuses for his failed prophecies. His followers need to wake up and see they are following a fruitcake. …Please read the following article by James Lloyd of Christian Media Research. What he has to say tells the other side of the story . Most importantly, what James Lloyd has to say is very biblical….So keep scrolling down. May it enlighten the misled to the Truth.

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God’s Final Witness Is Ronald Weinland?

The latest figure to step forth touting himself to be one of the Two Witnesses is a bizarre false prophet named Ronald Weinland, has added his name to the infamous list of delusional religionists in the strange days that have found us.

Another partaker of the the tainted legacy of Herbert W Armstrong’s Worldwide Church Of God, Weinland is aggressively following in the WWCOG’s tried and true approach that says Christians will believe almost anything — especially if they can get it for free. Like the cult of 7th Day Adventism and their ubiquitous free publications Sign Of The Times and National Sunday Law, Ron Weinland pays organizations to give away his book 2008 God’s Final Witness.

Obviously, the New Testament tells us the Gospel itself is to be free (Jesus never included book publishing as a definition of the actual Gospel), but apparently the old admonition that says “you get what you pay for” is still intact, for it seems that most of the “free” goodies Christians can get are so laced with theological poison they’re not exactly a Spiritual bargain. So it is with Weinland’s piece of published trash (did I mention it was “free?”)

At least I didn’t have to waste a great deal of my free time to find out his doctrine, as Weinland hadn’t finished even his first chapter before he came right out and flatly stated his supposed identity:

“I am to announce, through God’s direct revelation, that I am one of those two witnesses.” (page 16, 2008 God’s Final Witness)

Throughout the book, Ron Weinland repeatedly tells us he is God’s Final Prophet, and any who reject that statement will die in the tribulation to come:

“The primary reason God reserved the fullness of this knowledge, until now, is to reveal who is His end-time prophet….as a consequence, they will also recognize that I am who I say I am — God’s end-time prophet and the spokeman of the two end-time witnesses.” (page 204)

“I am God’s end-time prophet, the one sent by the Almighty God to all mankind at this end-time.” (page 173)

There are a dozen places in Weinland’s book where he claims the world will be judged based upon their response to his macabre message. Conversely, Jesus Christ clearly stated that those who continually trumpet their own standing are not of Him:

“He that speaketh of himself seeketh his own glory: but he that seeketh his glory that sent him, the same is true, and no unrighteousness is in him.” (John 7:18)

Since Weinland calims to be able to receive “direct revelation” from God, it’s curious to find the book filled with all sorts of faulty and unscriptural assertions — but perhaps his hotline to God wasn’t working well when he wrote his epic. After all, even the Internet has bad days.

Most of this pretender’s output draws on long taught precepts of Armstrong’s Church of God (see the essay The House That Herbert Built on this site), but mercifully, Ron does have a couple of new wrinkles in the racist garbage he regurgitates from Armstrong. Of course, the Germans are still the bad guys (the “Assyrians” as taught by most of the Armstrongists), and the British are still the good guys (the “lost tribes” of Israel nonsense), but my personal favorite is how, even after the Millennial reign of Christ, everyone gets a second lifespan of 100 years in which to prove they’re worthy.

Most Christian groups recognize Revelation tells of how all the wicked people who have died without Christ throughout history are to be resurrected for the judgment. Indeed, the central characteristic of this prophetic sequence is how all the dead who rejected Christ, were judged and cast into the lake of fire:

“And I saw a great white throne,…And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God…And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.” (Revelation 20:11,12,15)

Ron Weinland simply ignores this plain statement and twists the text completely as he claims that all the wicked dead don’t end up in the lake of fire at all. He says everyone gets another chance to live in what he calls “God’s world.” Writing about the 1,000 year reign of Christ on Earth as described in Revelation, He states

“But the rest of the dead [the rest of mankind who had lived and died throughout the first 6,000 years of man’s time on earth] lived not again until the thousand years were finished [they will be resurrected to physical life once more, but they will then be living in God’s world once the 1,000 year reign of Jesus Christ has ended].” (page 140)

This means we’ll see Hitler, Genghis Khan, Joseph Stalin, Attila the Hun, and even Charles Manson, in “God’s World.” However, since they’ve been dead for so long, Ron tells us they will behave better in their second time around.

Unfortunately, if they don’t behave better, none of them will die young, because in Ronald Weinland’s world, everyone gets exactly 100 years to prove they’ve learned their lesson:

All who have ever lived and died will be resurrected to physical life once more. There will no longer be reproduction of human life, but there will be a one hundred year period of time for man to live and be judged by God’s way of life.” (page 169)

Actually, I may need that second hundred years, because since I’ve spoken against “God’s Final Witness,” Ron will likely see to it that I miss that Millennial thing. Hopefully, when I get my guaranteed hundred years, I won’t have to live near Vlad The Impaler.

I probably should worry about writing such an inflammatory piece about God’s Final Witness, because Ron Weinland is using his “witness” status to rain revenge on some other Armstrong followers who have apparently rubbed him the wrong way. As he offers his version of Revelation’s mysterious passage concerning “seven thunders,” he says he gets to choose the 5th thunder (and hints he may be directing the 6th and 7th) — and he has chosen to punish those in “God’s Church” who haven’t received him:

“This phase of the Fifth Thunder is one of my own choosing, which God has granted me….The method of this one last great chastening…the method for revealing through whom God is working will not be done through the manifestation of miraculous healings performed by ministers. Specifically regarding His two end-time witnesses, it will be by the power given to them for destruction and plagues, not healing!” (pages 101,104).

Weinland then recounts a recent event in which seven people died, and four were wounded, in a shooting spree in one of God’s “scattered” Armstrongist churches that had failed to follow in the true path. Thus, although I’ve mocked this clown because he’s so far off the Scriptural mark with false doctrine, we see the zeal of “believers” like Ron Weinland is not to be taken lightly. Truly, as Jesus said, “ye shall know them by their fruits” (Matthew 7:16).

On a recent bad fruit day in 2005, a religious zealot shot and killed 7 people, including the pastor, his son, and 5 church members before shooting himself. Weinland attributes this heinous deed to the removal of God’s protection from this sect, and claims that God is humbling the Armstrong churches from which he sprang. He further states that other leaders of these Armstrongist sects will be killed until they receive Ron Weinland as God’s Final Prophet!

Weinland then retells the story of how the prophets of Baal died horribly for crossing a prophet of the LORD, and says that he has asked God to execute those who have rejected his ministry in a similar fashion:

“I have also made a petition to the ETERNAL God of Abraham. My petitition is that this first phase of the Fifth Thunder be fulfilled exactly as it is written here.” (page 107)

He even tells us who is next on his hit list:

“The most notable deaths early on, which are yet to come to pass, will be the two remaining television presenters in the Living Church Of God. The sound of this thunder will be intensified by the early deaths of the leaders of the Philadelphia Church of God, the Restored Church of God and the Church of the Great God.” (page 108)

So much for Christ’s admonition to pray for one’s enemies, but this monster has nothing to do with Christ. To put it another way, this guy is completely out of his mind — but it’s self evident some other entity has chosen to inhabit the mind of Ron Weinland.

In the face of his obvious willingness to shed the blood of anyone who disagrees with his murderous megalomania, it seems a bit mundane to detail more of his false doctrine. However, I will make the effort since the Apostle Paul instructed believers to

“Mark them which cause divisions and offences contrary to the doctrine which ye have have learned; and avoid them.” (Romans 16:17)

Indeed, when Jesus Christ tells us “a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit” (Matthew 3:10), we would do well to recognize the tree is the group that generated all of this evil — and that tree is Herbert W Armstrong’s Church Of God. Thus, the doctrinal elements of this wicked tree should be considered in the light of the Word of God.

Following in the heretical doctrines of Jehovah’s Witnesses and early 7th Day Adventism, Weinland (and the “scattered” COG churches) teaches the doctrine of the trinity is a Catholic invention, and is a “perverted, sick, and damnable doctrine” (page 193.

Although a Roman Catholic council formally declared trinitarian doctrine in 325 AD, about 250 years before that, the Apostle John wrote

“For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.”

Indeed, in years of researching the subject, I’ve written a trilogy of books in which I determined the only three books written in the Old Testament after Israel’s exile functioned as a prophetic introduction to Israel concerning the LORD’s triune nature. The primary goal in these three Scriptural accounts was the standing of the believers, and the building of the temple — a subject anticipating the Spiritual temple of the New Testament Christian.

The book of Esther’s great king Ahasuerus, the central character of the entire story, represents the Father, whereas Nehemiah, as the one who actually builds the temple represents the Son. The Holy Spirit is seen in the 3rd book of Ezra, as the priest who sanctifies the temple. It’s difficult to see how the Catholics managed to write three Old Testament books 500 years before the first Catholic was born!

Weinland also subscribes to the doctrine of Soul Sleep, or annihilationism (once again, something Armstrong got from the cult of Adventism and Jehovah’s Witnesses). This is the view that says when you’re dead, your really dead, and your soul or Spirit does not continue until that second life heresy he’s manufactured.

Although there are many Scriptures which refute this, the most commonly cited verse is Jesus telling the dying thief on the cross

“Verily I say unto you, today shalt thou be with me in paradise.” (Luke 23:43)

Weinland says that only 144,000 from this small American sect are raised from the dead at the return of Christ (still more Adventist/JW heresy), but the Bible plainly shows there are millions who will be with Him in eternity:

“And they sung a new song, saying, Thou are worthy to take the book, and to open the seals thereof: for thou wast slain, and hast redeemed us to God by thy blood out of every kindred, and tongue, and people, and nation

“After this I beheld, and, lo, a great multitude, which no man could number, of all nations, and kindreds, and people, and tongues, stood before the throne, and before the Lamb, clothed with white robes, and palms in their hands….” (Revelation 5:9,7:9)

Weinland follows the apostacy of British-Israelism which emphasizes the white European Anglo-Saxons as supposed descendants of the physically dispersed Israelite tribes. This spiritual malignancy is closely related to the “chosen people” myth that God holds certain racial groups (such as Jews and Anglo-Saxons) as heirs of prophetic promises based upon race. This blasphemy (also taught by the Rapture Cult) ignores the New Testament imperative that your identity in Christ is purely in the realm of the Spirit:

For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus. And if ye be Christ’s, then are ye Abraham’s seed, and heirs according to the promise. For in Jesus Christ neither circumcision [Israelite family lineage] availeth anything, nor uncircumcision [Gentile family lineage]; but faith which worketh by love” (Galatians 3:26,29,5:6)

Although he dances around the subject a bit, Weinland actually teaches the 144,000 are going to become “elohim” — the Hebrew word that is rendered God in our English Bible. Claiming these special believers will become “the God-Kind,” he states that

“Elohim is the name of the God Family.” (page 206)

This is an ancient heresy, but since he has removed the divinity of Jesus, and redefined the Holy Spirit as a spiritual power without deity, there’s plenty of room in the godhead for us:

“Herbert W Armstrong, was given understanding….that God’s Family is not a closed trinity, but instead, it can grow into the billions.” (page 206)

When you move into the realm of the “truth” put forth by this liar, he claims you will “become” God. Referencing the believer who allows God and His Son to dwell within them, he writes:

“This spiritual creation continues in spiritual growth until the time it can be born (of spirit) into the Kingdom of God, into the Family of God, becoming Elohim.” (page 228)

“The 144,000 are referred to as the firstfruits of God’s Family, since they will be the first from among the families of mankind to be resurrected and become God (Elohim)” (page 232)

Most people who have actually read their Bibles recognize this was exactly the temptation offered by the serpent to Eve in the Garden, if she would only eat the forbidden fruit:

“For God doth know that in the day ye eat thereof, then your eyes shall be opened, and ye shall be as gods, knowing good and evil.” (Genesis 3:5)

The danger posed by false prophets such as Ronald Weinland is not related to prophecies which fail, it is related to predictions which are fulfilled. The fact is, just about every prophecy teacher on the planet is stating that tribulational events are upon us.

This means that because we do live in the generation which will see all of the tribulational events described in Bible prophecy fulfilled, when these things come to pass, many will follow deceivers like Ronald Weinland, simply because he declared such things. Conversely, it doesn’t take a prophet to see famine or world economic chaos coming because the mechanisms are plainly visible to those who are knowledgeable in monetary systems and agriculture!

Worse yet, most believers have been erroneously taught a false prophet is one who misses a prediction, when the Scriptures actually state the opposite:

“If there arise among you a prophet, or a dreamer of dreams, and giveth thee a sign or a wonder, And the sign or the wonder come to pass, whereof he spake unto thee saying Let us go after other gods, which thou hast not known, and let us serve them; Thou shalt not hearken unto the words of that prophet, or that dreamer of dreams…. (Deuteronomy 13:1-3)

It’s crucial we see this passage tells us the prophet who pitches “other gods” is a false prophet; and since Jesus Christ is God, anyone who presents a version of Jesus outside of the Scriptural portrait is teaching about another god. The Apostle Paul made the connection when he said

“for if he that cometh preacheth another Jesus, whom we have not preached [or] if any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, le him be accursed.” (II Corinthians 11:4,Galatians 1:9)

The bottom line is Ronald Weinland, and the “Church of God” that spawned his demonic book, are deceivers of the first magnitude. In this regard, we would all do well to realize that if you find yourself standing at the throne of God and cast into the Lake of Fire for believing the words in books of this nature, you won’t be able to tell God “But the book was free, so I thought it came from you.”

— James Lloyd

Thanks for reading this article by Christian Media Research. ~ Jasmine71

See Also

The House That Herbert Built

Recognizing Christian Identity

Nehemiah The Pre-Messiah

Hadassah Of Shushan (Esther)

The Spirit Of Ezra

Exiled On Earth – The End Of The Age In Esther, Nehemiah, & Ezra

Have a great day!

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37 Comments »

  1. Hey,

    I also write about Ronald Weinland. Feel free to check it out!

    Comment by Citizen X — October 20, 2008 @ 7:59 pm

  2. Citizen X , thanks for the invitation! However, I have already looked at your recent blogs about Ronald Weinland. I disagree with them , so thanks anyway. My purpose is to expose spiritual deception inspired by Satan and his kingdom. This kind of deception can be found in Ronald Weinland’s purpose, prophecies and Church of God.. My hope and prayer is that the LORD Jesus will open the eyes of Ronald’s spiritually blind followers..

    Comment by jasmine71 — October 21, 2008 @ 1:19 am

  3. don’t bother posting on those blogs. you will probably just get deleted and marked a wRONg hater.

    Comment by MIKE — November 1, 2008 @ 4:05 pm

  4. Mike, If u are talking about the blogs written by the American or Citizen X, I already know he/she censors comments that question the veracity of Ronald Weinland. Makes you wonder right.? God forbid if Ronald’s followers hear the other side of the story and have to think for themselves. Anyway, I created this post for that very reason!…so people could be exposed to the truth when they view my post on Ronald Weinland.

    Comment by jasmine71 — November 1, 2008 @ 9:32 pm

  5. Jasmine – Thank you for your post. In the next few months we will be hearing of the mass suicide of the CoG. Ron will proclaim it God’s will and his sheep will follow. So sad.

    Comment by Steve Weinland — November 4, 2008 @ 5:37 am

  6. Steve , what makes you think Ronald will tell his followers to commit suicide? Please elaborate as I think your comment is sheer speculation. — I certainly hope such a tragedy will never happen with these dear souls!

    Comment by jasmine71 — November 4, 2008 @ 1:17 pm

  7. yes jasmine71 that is the blog i am talking about.

    i also hope that steve is speculating. because it does seem thats would be the only logical end to this mess that ron created. i do recall him saying “if by labor day were all having a bbq then im throug i will declare myself a false profit to do anyting else would be insane ”

    so i guess he is certifiable by now. i find it hard to believe that his followers are still buying into his new recent timeline . after all this guy was schooled by armstrong. another false profit how ironic..lol

    also his book that was supposedly written by him and god says “on the day that the 7th seal opens the world will be in shock and horror” not 31 days later. so nov 14th (like april 17th) the 7th seal will open .

    to all his followers. do you honestly believe that god would create such doubt and confusion about one of the most powerfull and important prophits in mankind ?

    do you think he would send false information . then say “my bad i was just testing you ” .

    nothing in his books were predictions. they were merely observations that were then inturn related to the book of ravalation.

    tune in for timeline 3 after december 14th . i think all of the “ron haters” would have had way more respect for him if he just would have manned up and admited he was a false profit like he said that he would. him and his “silent” witness wife who is witnessing the witness..lmao.

    Comment by MIKE — November 5, 2008 @ 6:00 pm

  8. Mike, Thanks for your comments….I agree with you.

    Comment by jasmine71 — November 5, 2008 @ 6:08 pm

  9. Can you believe the Church of God-PKG, and all of it’s brainwashed followers? I mean why on earth would God be in that group when there are so many ones who simply know the facts. You’re suppose to celebrate Christmas and Easter, and even Halloween. Not the Holy Days they follow that God commands in the bible. I mean celebrating Halloween is a great time. Jesus Christ himself kept Halloween, not Passover, Pentecost, or Feast of Tabernacles or whatever those lunatics call it. And can you actually believe Weinland convinced those numnuts to actually repent towards God. And not just a simple Hail Mary, but they actually have to take time out of there lives to deeply repent, and change for the sake of themselves and others, and get this, try to have a sincere relationship with God the Father, Give Me a BREAK!! Some of actually say they are happy on a level we can’t comprehend. They need people like us to tear them down and show them that they’re wrong, I mean isn’t that what we tried to do to Jesus Christ when he was around. And as for the world economy today, ok so he might have gotten lucky with a little prediction, but this isn’t Satan’s world, this the world of OUR true God, even though you and I might disagree on a few little things about God he understands and its perfectly OK before him. God’s gonna fix up this economy entirley, and I have a feeling he’ll do it before the holidays so we can all kick back and totally enjoy CHRISTMAS!! And to end with this, can you believe that they try to keep the Commandents of those in the bible. I tried once, didn’t really care for it. They said I should be sincerely repenting to God for this but I know the true God. And me and my Mercedes are going straight to heaven. By the slightest chance if they were right and God is getting ready to clean up this world (the economy is not even that bad though), and all of us who refuse to follow they’re way (I think they call it God’s way) are going to die, ok than yeah I would regret how I live my life being the “blinded” man that I am. And I would be really afraid to live my life without the one true God in these next few years(like it’s really gonna happen). I would also try to keep his commandments and the Holy Days they do so I can experience some of the Great God’s true “joy” as they experience. But until then I simply must do it My Way cuz I know whats right for me and my God says it perfectly ok. Merry early Christmas my friends!!

    Comment by randomguy — November 5, 2008 @ 11:05 pm

  10. They need to take a long hard look in the mirror! God is not happy with them even though they follow his true word.

    Comment by randomguy — November 5, 2008 @ 11:27 pm

  11. Randomguy, with all due respect, you sound just as crazy as Ronald and his followers….. By the way, you do need to have a relationship with God, by first accepting Jesus as your LORD and Savior…. then with His help, you need to to live a righteous and holy life. When you accept Jesus as LORD, HE gives you His Holy Spirit to help you accomplish that daily. —Without Jesus, you are lost and in danger of eternal damnation—.. ….Did you really read the article by James Lloyd on this post?
    If you want to know why Ronald and his followers are false Christians please READ this entire post again..

    Comment by jasmine71 — November 5, 2008 @ 11:42 pm

  12. What I said above was entirly sarcastic. ….. “By the way, you do need to have a relationship with God, by first accepting Jesus as your LORD and Savior…” That statement is a very true one indeed, but the problem is the world allows a false spirit into their lives, a spirit that depicts lies with some truth. A spirit no one can see until God allows it. A spirtit I couldn’t see until God allowed it. I use to be in the Catholic Church so I know there is a difference between what is a lie and what is true. My goal what I wrote above, through extreme sarcasm, was intended to reveal to others some of their beleifs and attitudes toward the Lord. Because even though no one would probably state it to that extent, it can reveal the core of there true spirit. And I’m not talking to all, because there are many who are truly and passionately trying to find the Lord. The problem is God is no where else but in his true church(COG-PKG). I myself was once deceived, but the Lord blessed me with truth, something I can’t give to you until God himself does, so I know the difference. God’s not here with the world, because if he was here with all of the billions of religions, he’s doing a terrible job on this earth. And I can understand where others are coming from, even with out of line statements calling it a cult or saying we’re going to kill ourselves, I too was once part of this world until the true God intervened. I’m not saying you (others in general) have to believe the word of COG-PKG, God is getting ready to make that abundantly clear. It’s just not a smart idea to talk down to the church, at least take a quiet wait and see approach because you’re down talking the true God, the same thing that Satan did. And I’m pretty sure every one knows the Lord is getting ready to do away with Satan(some time or another). I use to believe in the Catholic faith, even though spending an eternity in hell for a messed up life didn’t exactly sound like a merciful God to me. The merciful God gives everyone a second chance. The fact of the matter is God is only in one place (where the truth is). If two religions differ, God can only be in one or neather of them because unlike us, He is entirly of truth. Which eventually narrow down to one religion, but even that one is wrong. God doesn’t speak of the Book of Revealtion because the world is right, and He graciously reveals truth to his one true church.

    Comment by randomguy — November 6, 2008 @ 12:36 am

  13. Randomguy, I think you need to read my second post , “Ronald Weinland under demonic delusion. Part 2” …. because you still have not come to accept the truth about Ron and his cult…. This cult (COG-PKG) isn’t about salvation but crass legalism.

    Comment by jasmine71 — November 6, 2008 @ 1:37 am

  14. I know you must think I’ve been brainwashed. And I know you must think I’m brainwashed to say I’m not brainwashed. And I understand you can’t fully see the message that I wrote. But what I have stated is true. Only God can reveal this. If the world didn’t agree with Jesus Christ during his time, why would things have changed today. That is what God is revealing through this end time. Man-kind never loved the word of God. God is proving that man hasn’t changed in six thousand years. Deuteronomy Chapter 18:21 And if thou say in thine heart, How shall we know the word which the LORD hath not spoken? 22 When a prophet speaketh in the name of the LORD, if the thing follow not, nor come to pass, that is the thing which the LORD hath not spoken, but the prophet hath spoken it presumptuously: thou shalt not be afraid of him.
    God is saying Do Not Fear Him. What was given was based under the Church’s understanding, a presumption like God calls it. God new what the church would with their own understanding and He let it happen for a purpose. A purpose of examining our own lives. It revealed that coming along because of fear alone, well you just wouldn’t last. Anyone is incapable of believing this until God reveals it to such person. A year ago today I would have agreed with every word you have spoken, but God had different plans for me. I know my words can never change your mind, The word’s of Ron didn’t change mine beacause if it did it would have changed yours, it was God’s spirit in which I accepted into my life. Now I’m a real down to earth kind of guy. I’m a big sports guy, I work hard, I exceed in school. But I’ve realized how useless that all of it is unless God’s there. And how useless it is being the times we live in. Not like the false God I use to believe and supported for reasons of pride, but the true God whom reveals truth and all sin. Stop using April 17th as proof, or the second trumpet, or when the seventh seal was opened. What was stated was based on the understanding. God’s timing did not change, he just didn’t reveal the timing. This world doesn’t understand what it means to accept God into your lives. It’s actually really easy to say, anyone can say it, even a todler can say it. Wouldn’t you agree if billions on this earth knew the true God, it would be a pretty great place to live? Wouldn’t you agree there would be no need for the Book of Revelation? Why would God destroy in what he is working with? Man can’t govern himself and you let me know of any leader over time who was PERFECT in doing so? God is proving are way simply doesn’t work, Obama can’t fix this world neither could MCcain or Hillary or the Pope. God’s time is coming. Many religions believe that, but hey it’s real easy to say anything. Jesus Christ wasn’t just talking to the Jews when he claimed they had no love in their hearts for God, he was talking to the world, and any who go against his way. What you don’t understand is you(in general) claim to love Jesus Christ, but what you don’t understand is he is telling you that you have no love for him. And Jesus wasn’t talking to a small scattered church, he was talking to the world. Pride is what’s tearing this world down.

    Comment by randomguy — November 6, 2008 @ 2:52 am

  15. Randomguy, you totally have twisted Deuteronomy 18:20-22 ; it is meant for “prophets” like Ronald Weinland. Nothing you have said can be backed up by scriptures in the Bible…(twisting them in a bizarre misinterpretation does not count).

    Comment by jasmine71 — November 6, 2008 @ 12:51 pm

  16. You can’t twist Deuteronomy 18:20-22, God is saying Do Not Fear Him even though he spoke presumptuously.

    John 17:25 O righteous Father, the WORLD hath not known thee: but I have known thee, and these have known that thou hast sent me.
    John 8:23 And he said unto them, Ye are from beneath; I am from above: ye are of this world; I am not of this world.
    John 8:55 Yet ye have not known him; but I know him: and if I should say, I know him not, I shall be a liar like unto you: but I know him, and keep his saying. (He was talking to the Jews)
    John 12:31 Now is the judgment of this world: now shall the prince of this world be cast out.
    John 14:17 Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you.
    John 14:30 Hereafter I will not talk much with you: for the prince of this world cometh, and hath nothing in me.
    John 15:18 If the world hate you, ye know that it hated me before it hated you.
    (In this verse, if most of the world’s religion is correct, how can the world hate them if they represent the world?)
    John 15:19 19 If ye were of the world, the world would love his own: but because ye are not of the world, but I have chosen you out of the world, therefore the world hateth you.
    John 16:8 And when he is come, he will reprove the world of sin, and of righteousness, and of judgment:
    John 16:33 These things I have spoken unto you, that in me ye might have peace. In the world ye shall have tribulation: but be of good cheer; I have overcome the world.
    John 14 I have given them thy word; and the world hath hated them, because they are not of the world, even as I am not of the world.
    15 I pray not that thou shouldest take them out of the world, but that thou shouldest keep them from the evil.
    16 They are not of the world, even as I am not of the world.
    17 Sanctify them through thy truth: thy word is truth.
    18 As thou hast sent me into the world, even so have I also sent them into the world.
    19 And for their sakes I sanctify myself, that they also might be sanctified through the truth.
    20 Neither pray I for these alone, but for them also which shall believe on me through their word;
    21 That they all may be one; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me.
    22 And the glory which thou gavest me I have given them; that they may be one, even as we are one:
    23 I in them, and thou in me, that they may be made perfect in one; and that the world may know that thou hast sent me, and hast loved them, as thou hast loved me.
    (He’s not sayin a small scattered church doesn’t love him, he is saying the WORLD!!) Jesus and his disciples were small, and the WORLD did not love them. The WORLD did not love NOAH. The WORLD does not love Christ then, people talking against the COG-PKG are no different than the Samaritans or the Jews or the Pharisees talking against Jesus Christ during His time. They didn’t realize they truth then, and people don’t realize the truth now. God’s plan and purpose. To show how man hasn’t changed for six thousand years.

    And please expalain this for those who dont’t believe in the Millenium
    Revelation 20:3 And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season.
    4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.
    5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.
    6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.
    7 And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison,

    And read Leviticus 23, you might be shocked to see the Holy Days God wants us to keep.

    Comment by randomguy — November 6, 2008 @ 6:25 pm

  17. Randomguy, The true church is not COG-PKG, but it is everyone who accepts Jesus as LORD and Savior with a sincere heart. People that have not are the World. ….. I believe you are sincere in your beliefs but you are sincerely wrong.. If you don’t believe my two posts on Ronald Weinland, I can’t help you. My final comment…. I have asked Jesus into my heart ; I have asked the Father to wash my soul in the blood of Jesus. I am His child. I am safe and when I die I will go home to be with Him. I do praise Jesus for saving a wretch like me.

    Comment by jasmine71 — November 6, 2008 @ 8:23 pm

  18. Don’t you understand, many religions claim to accept Jesus as their Savior. Many people who believe religion is the problem and try to understand the true God accept Jesus as their Savior. God’s true way is one way. If the true words of Jesus Christ aren’t practiced, his death is meaningless. The world has distorted His word and thats why there are so many problems today. God’s true way of life is righteous, and if the billions who also claim to accept Jesus as their Savior, which acquires to be the majority, this means the world would be mostly good. But everyones way of life is for self(whatever works best for you or how you can benefit in a given situation), until God reveals it into one’s own life. If the true God were in the hearts of many, this world would be a much better place to live in. The fact of the matter is God is truth(something we are not custom to because of all of the deception), one way of life, and if the billions who claim to have the true God in their hearts, this world would be a great place to live in. God doesn’t just accept any way to live, he accepts nothing short of His way, and when we fall short we must repent. He doesn’t accept Christmas, Easter, or any of those days and He is certainly not working with anyone who lives that way of life. When God reveals His true way of life, it is a long hard battle. But as you grow, you get a greater appreciation for what Jesus Christ went through. And not only through his death but through his life. People know the name, people can say the words, but they don’t know Jesus Christ. This is truth God reveals to His Church. If God wasn’t truly working with me, I could not know or have the confidence to say what I am writing. God knows I can’t change peoples minds, even Jesus Christ couldn’t change peoples minds, only God the Father can open ones mind to what is true. I claimed Jesus Christ too was in my heart, but I NEVER knew him, he was nothing but a false image in my heart. Satan hated God’s plan, which is why he rebelled in the beginning. He distorts the truth and gives everyone a sappy, lovey feeling in their hearts that they know the true God, but it’s not him. God sent Satan and the demons to this earth, this is their world. I too use to celebrate Christmas and keep false hopes that I pridefully justified in my heart, but it was just Satan confusing me and distorting my mind, but I justified it. God has one true way of life, meaning only the COG-PKG can be right, or only you can be right, or only one religion can be right. But I’ve experienced religion and I know he’s not there, I’ve tried to justify my own understanding and I know he’s not there. I couldn’t see this at the time because I was influenced by Satan. RW could not give me what I have written, the true God gave me through my experiences what I have written. I don’t justify in my heart what I think is right anymore, I repent and move towards his one true way. The world hates what is true, just as they hated Jesus Christ. I understand why people hate the Church on a spiritual plain, that’s just simply the world we live in. But the true God has blessed me to understand the deeper message of things happening in this world. God has stated in his commandments do not have any other Gods besides me. But other God’s is exactly what the world worships. But I have mercy and understanding for others because I was once there, and for some bizarre reason, God called me out of this world to see what is true. I wish I could spiritually give you what I have written, but only the true God can. Others whom God is working with can read this message and understand where I am coming from, even though we never met. That’s because God’s way is of truth and there is only one way of life. He may give different things at different time to people but our intention is to grow and flourish through constant repentence and correcting our way of life. Two random “Christians” can come together but have so many different beliefs about God. GOD IS OF ONLY TRUTH. He is not in a lie and certainly doesn’t justify one. This Church is hated because Satan hates it, Satan is in the world, Satan hated God’s plan, and Satan is in the majority of mankind without them even knowing it. Many people hate the Church and they truly don’t know why.

    Comment by randomguy — November 7, 2008 @ 5:13 am

  19. Randomguy, The TRUTH isn’t a Church or religon ; The TRUTH is JESUS. Yes, you must practice the Words of Christ, but that alone does not save.
    John 5:24 – Verily , verily, I say to you, He that hearth my(Jesus’s) word, and BELIEVETH on Him that sent me, HATH EVERLASTING LIFE, and shall not come into comdemnation(judgement), but IS PASSED from death unto life. –

    Romans 1:16-For I am not ashamed of the ‘Gospel of Christ’; for it is the POWER OF GOD UNTO SALVATION to every one that believeth. –

    The “Power” of the gospel lies in the “BLOOD OF JESUS.” – not works

    1 John 1:7- The BLOOD OF JESUS CHRIST His Son, cleansth us from all sin.

    Ephesians 2:8-9 By GRACE are ye saved through faith; and not of yourselves; it is the GIFT OF GOD; not of WORKS, lest any man should boast.

    It’s Faith that saves you first, NOT WORKS. Following Christ’s teaching is just EVIDENCE that you are saved. Therefore, randomguy, I disagree with you.

    Comment by jasmine71 — November 7, 2008 @ 1:11 pm

  20. For Jasmine 71,
    Thanks for “Posting” The Truth So Others Could See it….”Who The Son Sets Free Is Free Indeed”….If You Aren’t Free From The Chains And Sins Of This World Then You Aren’t Free….You Are Still Connected To Sin….The True Church Of God Isn’t True At All…..In Many Ways They Are Wrong….I Will Expose A Lot of the errors.First error, They See That The Kingdom Of God Is For Their Sect Only….Not For Others…..John 3:17: For God didn’t send The Son Into The World To Judge The World,But That The World Should Be Saved Through Him…. Anyone Can Receive The Gospel ;You Don’t Have To Try By “Obeying All Kinds Of Rules” of A So Called Prophet That Doesn’t Believe In Prayer,Salvation, And not Loving Your own Family in order “to Put God First”. Jesus Died To Show Our Imperfections And Show How Much We Are In Need Of Him (John 3:16) .Jesus Wants To Show Everyone Mercy But We Have To Believe That He Is The Answer For Our Sin Problem. Ronald Weinland Will Be Judge As Well….It is Not Through Works that we are saved ( Like Jasmine Said).It is Through “Grace You Are Saved Through Faith” …..”The World Wide Church Of God Makes It Sounds Like You Depend On Yourself. You are arogant And Full Of Lies Ronald….”You are Boastful and Twist The Scriptures to Decieve others. ……You are Depending On yourself, Instead Of God Alone. Facts Are Twisted ;You are Not Even Allowed To Love Your Family if they are not in the COG -PKG….That Not A Relgion I Want To Follow…..My Own Brother Jonathan Is Deceived In This Cult Group…..Instead Of PKG…..It Should Be Preparing For Damnation….. When My Father Was Dying In The Hospital….My Own Brother Didn’t Have Any Remorse Of His Sickness…. He Didn’t Ask His Own Dad How He Was Feeling…..Nothing!; Not even like “How Are The Treatments Going Dad”…Um……randomguy,Not Show Any Emotional Feelings For Your Own Father Isn’t Being A True Followr Of Christ Or As You Put Being “In The True Church Of God)…….That is Just Being Crazy/Wacked……Nothing Else…..That Isn’t Putting God First Either…..You Can’t Pray,There Is No Healing,No Joy,No Hope,No Peace In What You Believe In….. randomguy,So How Do You Expect Me To Believe In It….. randomguy. There is No Consequences For Your Sins… Just Treat Everyone How You Feel Like It…..(Even Your Own Family)The Doctrine Is “Blasphemous” That Jesus Never Existed…..In John 1:1 It Says That “In The Begining Was The Word And The Word Was With God And The Word Was God…..He Always Was…..You Make “Ronald Weinland Look More Powerful Then God But He Can Always Exist….Jesus Is The Truth…..If That Wasn’t The Case He Couldn’t Of Died For Us….For He Is The Sinless Lamb Of God……Who Takes Away The Sins Of The World……

    ~Lynda~

    Comment by Lynda — November 10, 2008 @ 1:58 pm

  21. Lynda, who said you couldn’t pray? In fact it’s a 110 percent the opposite of everything you just said. Judging by what was written to me, I’m guessing you’ve never listened to a sermon. You should listen to one, and I’m not kidding, put your pride asside for a second and just listen to one, you might be mightly shocked in what you hear.

    Drawing closer to the true God is what it’s all about, and yes, through deep prayer. Repenting for sin on the spot, trusting the Lord has forgiven you, and proceeding to make those changes in your life from sin is where the hope lyes, because it’s where God lyes. God’s purpose is for us to fight sin and become more like him. The true God will reveal even deeper sin until your last breath, as long as you keep a close relationship with him, that’s how you know God is truly working with you. All RW does is preach the Word, We don’t have pictures of him and kneel down to him in our rooms like many claim(little far fetched), that’s TERRIBLE. And what do you mean there is no consequence for sin? The consequence is death and NO MORE. I love every time one of you(the world for that matter) says they have faith, or Jesus is the Truth, or put your full trust in the Lord. It’s all ENTIRELY true but the world doesn’t know what it truly means, that’s the problem, that’s the problem in the world, that’s why this world is SICK, is because they distort what is true. Now let me propose a question, when God says be aware of false prophets, honestly how influential is RW or any other of the 20 something “so called” prophets. Really how much are they influencing the world. Ask your neighbor “wow isn’t it hard not agreeing with RW”, they almost 100 percent have never even heard of them and frankly don’t care. It’s not a battle at all for the world, why would God make a statement in which something isn’t a big deal. IT’S NOT HARD FOR THE WORLD. The Battle is in the Church. The battle is fighting the world(on a spiritual plain). That’s why God’s true way of life is so Hard. We are fighting the battle, we are fighting sin and our selfish ways, I’ve experienced what the world wants and now I’m experiencing what God wants. And I can’t describe to you the battle until you have experienced it, just like I wouldn’t have believed others until I experienced it. False prophets are big deceivers of the world, the catholic church, Judaism, etc, and the world at large. Yeah, the Catholic church is losing so many members because the deceit and lies in RW are just so strong(sarcastic), God is forewarning this catholic religion or even others who just simply believe they are “saved” because these lies are just pulling everyone down to Satan. Thats not what God is talking about. You know, you wouldn’t think a teenager was talking right now but that’s the power of the true God. I can’t write what I’m writing because RW said it, many people hear the same words and reject the truth.

    Lynda,
    I can’t speak for your brother, I don’t know him or his conditions so I can’t say anything. What I can say if he told you all of that sincerely, about not praying, God’s NOT working with him despite what he listens to, and if he did tell you that, other than baptism or the sabbath, you would have nothing to worry about because he’s not in this “cult.” If my father died or someone in my family died, I would be far beyond devestated, but I would turn to the true God. Like I have stated many times, I can’t convince you, Jesus COULDNT convince anyone, it’s God the Father who does the work in His timely planning. I just hope what I’ve said has given you a slight inspiration to how the Church really is, not for what everyone else claims, it sure must be easy to believe every else, no matter who it is

    To anyone
    I just want to propose another question to anyone, without using scripture, describe what your faith means. Because even Satan has Faith in God’s word, he knows it’s true but goes against it in EVERY aspect to deceive mankind. I know you agree with God’s Word is somewhat important, so explain what God’s word is. Then examen yourselves to see if God is truly happy with you just the way you are. And also, why would God be so angry at the COG-PKG for constant repentence, wanting to fight selfishness to a core and science only God WILL reveal? Would he really be that angry with a church keeping the true Holy Days, or what about tithing, if doing what I’ve just said isn’t faith in Jesus Christ than I dont know what is. So where’s the flaw, why are we a cult, why are we going to “burn in hell” for the rest of eternity, no better yet, how come we are hated so much more than other religions that have endless problems?

    Comment by randomguy — November 11, 2008 @ 2:11 am

  22. Lynda, thanks for your point of view. Try to keep your comments related to the article only. Thank you. ——–
    I thought many of your points are well said . It is sad to here your brother does not communicate with you and your family because you don’t agree with him about Ronald Weinland and the COG-PKG.

    Comment by jasmine71 — November 11, 2008 @ 10:36 am

  23. Randomguy, This is my explaination of my faith that gives present salvation. Faith is in the God’s Word. There are three elements in “saving faith”. (1). KNOWLEDGE, A man cannot believe something he knows nothing about. (2) BELIEF. A man may know about a thing but not believe in it.(3) DEPENDENCE. A man may know about a thing and believe it, and yet put no dependence on it. To illustrate, you are on a sinking ship, a lifeboat puts out from shore and approches the ship unknown to you. Some on tells you of the life-boat, that is knowledge. You watch the lifeboat as it carries load after load of passengers safely to shore and you are convinced of its saving power, that is belief. But your knowledge of the existence of the lifeboat, and your belief in its ability to save you, will not save you unless you get in the boat and depend on it to save you, that is FAITH; it takes action.

    Comment by jasmine71 — November 11, 2008 @ 10:49 am

  24. Random Guy,
    The Bible Says “That We Fall Short Of God’s Glory”….We Need Him for Eternal Life. HE does not need Us for it. In the article above the COG-PKG believes the following: First, RW states He believes That Everyone Gets A Second Chance ; That is false as once you die, there are no second chances. Moreover, what is the point if people can live like they want now and then get a second chance….People will just think , ok, I’ll sin now , then repent when I get a second chance in the next life. Why then would they want God to work on them now? ;they are SINNERS. RW’s doctrines contradict each other. Sin must be dealt with before death in order to get into heaven. My brother believes RW, but he is as cold as ice…he has no love for his family. Remember If We are in discord With Each Other, that Is Sin. If We Are Selfish And Rude That Is Sin.The Holy Spirit Can”t Work In his Life because of the sin of “not loving others”. Romans 6:1- states “What Shall We Say Then???? Are We To Continue In Sin That Grace Might Increase?????… My brother does not know the true God of the Bible.
    —–This is what I think of my faith: Even So Consider Yourselves To Be Dead To Sin,But Alive To God In Christ Jesus. (Gal. 5:23 ) When We Get The Character Of Christ,The Fruits Of The Holy Spirit Will Appear.The Fruits Of The Spirit Is the following : Love, Joy, Peace, Patiences, Kindness, Goodness, Faithfulness, gentleness, self-control against such things there is no Law……We Must acknowledge That We Need Him….Get In The Boat So To Speak(take action). We Must Admit We Have Sinned Against Him; That We Need His Saving Grace To Forgive Us of Our Sins. We Must Allow The Working Of The Holy Spirit To Conform Us To Jesus Liking (That is by being dependent on HIM)….Therefore, I believe that The Evidence of having The Fruits of the Holy Spirit Show We Are A True Believers In Christ!!!!!!!

    ~Lynda~

    Comment by Lynda — November 11, 2008 @ 2:06 pm

  25. To Jasmine 71,
    Thanks For The Illustration Of The Boat……It Was Very Insightful. No One Can Force us Unto The Boat….It Is A Decision Christ Leaves Up To Each And Every One Of Us. Our belief in its ability to save us is not enough unless we get in the boat. —Knowledge alone is not enough; But we Have To apply That Knowlege To our lives. We must Allow Christ To Take Control Over Every Area Of our Lives And Say Lord You Are our Hope. We Depend On You….Only You Can Take Care Of This Sin Problem!!!!!!! Until we allow Christ to take control over EVERY area of our lives , we Will Be Lost; That Life Boat Will Pass Us By… So As Jasmine 71 Says It , The Only Thing To depend on it to save you, is FAITH; and True faith takes action.

    ~Lynda~

    Comment by Lynda — November 11, 2008 @ 2:17 pm

  26. James 2:17 Even so faith, if it hath not works, is dead, being alone.
    James 2:10 For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all.
    James 2:18 Yea, a man may say, Thou hast faith, and I have works: shew me thy faith without thy works, and I will shew thee my faith by my works.
    James 2:20 But wilt thou know, O vain man, that faith without works is dead?
    21 Was not Abraham our father justified by works, when he had offered Isaac his son upon the altar?
    22 Seest thou how faith wrought with his works, and by works was faith made perfect?
    23 And the scripture was fulfilled which saith, Abraham believed God, and it was imputed unto him for righteousness: and he was called the Friend of God.
    ****24 Ye see then how that by works a man is justified, and not by faith only.
    25 Likewise also was not Rahab the harlot justified by works, when she had received the messengers, and had sent them out another way?
    ****26 For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also.
    Revelation 2:26 And he that overcometh, and keepeth my works unto the end, to him will I give power over the nations:

    Matthew 5:17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil. [18] For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.
    Deuteronomy 4:40: Thou shalt keep therefore his statutes, and his commandments, which I command thee this day, that it may go well with thee, and with thy children after thee, and that thou mayest prolong thy days upon the earth, which the LORD thy God giveth thee, for ever.

    Revelation 2:16 Repent; or else I will come unto thee quickly, and will fight against them with the sword of my mouth.

    Lynda:
    2 And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years,
    3 And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season.
    4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.
    5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection. (the second chance)
    6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.
    7 And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison,
    8 And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog, and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea.

    (The ones who have the attitude of purposely sinning are going to be the ones who suffer the most physically and spirtually. Trust me when I say it’s not a good idea to go againt God Almighty. The inspiration for me is living in a world with Jesus Christ, a world without Satan. But most of the world doesn’t even realize they get a second chance, people just distort and read over verses in the bible. Let me paint you a picture, imagine a kid, born into a family of full sin, was never even told God existed, and dies in his late teens in an accident. Is it fair he deserves to spend an eternity in “hell” for the rest of existence. Doesn’t sound like a very merciful God to me. Sounds like a sick evil God, one I would Never serve. Or imagine living in paradise in heaven in mansions, gold streets, maxin and relaxin, but that doesn’t quite make sense either because thats exactly what God despises here on earth. This world has made a sick image of their own God. This is not the God Jesus supported nor will I, EVER. Or what about people in other countries, somewhere in tribes in the forest, does it make sense that they too should suffer in “hell” for all eternity because of almost a random lottery on who gets to “know” God.

    Even Satan has Faith in what God says (James 2:19 Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: the devils also believe, and tremble.) Does that mean Satan is saved? Or what about those killing in the name of God, are they also saved? Or what about those who break 90 to 100 percent of the commandents when God says to keep them all, are they saved just because they beleive in Jesus Christ and what he died for. The verses above are clearer then day so by you saying faith alone saves you, you are supporting the lives of all of these sick people, and all of the sickness that goes on in this world you couldn’t even begin to imagine.

    Lynda, then explain those verses under your name in revelation 20 and what they mean to you. Everything you claimed above, God just proved you wrong with His word. Can you understand that God is a bit more complex then what we take him for. Don’t judge the COG-PKG by the life your brother portrays, because the picture you painted me is that God’s not working with him anyway even though he listens to sermons, but I’ll leave that up to God Almighty. I want you to understand that I too use to believe exactly what you did. And now I try to live God’s true way of life, so I know the difference, it’s like night and day. You are still stuck where I was so you don’t know the difference. The words I’ve said and the scripture I quoted wasn’t to prove you wrong or make you feel bad, I’m just trying to show you the true God Almighty. I hope you will move asside your pride and take the time to listen to at least one full sermon.

    Comment by randomguy — November 12, 2008 @ 1:13 am

  27. randomguy, the Apostle James is not speaking of the “Doctrine of Justification,” but of man justifing himself before men. Works have nothing to do with one’s salvation , but simply give witness (evidence) to one’s faith. For example, “….Abraham believed God and it was imputed to him for righteousness.” -James 2: 21-26
    “If Abraham were justified by works, he hath whereof the glory; BUT NOT BEFORE GOD. For what saith the Scripture? Abraham BELIEVED GOD, and it was COUNTED UNTO HIM FOR RIGHTEOUSNESS.” Rom 4:2-3. Gen 15:6. Abraham was a man of faith, but the only way he could make it VISIBLE to the men of his generation was by his WORKS, so God commanded him to offer up his son Isaac. Gen. 22:1-2. So we see that it was Abraham’s FAITH that justified him before GOD , and his WORKS that justified him before MEN. Therefore, we are saved by faith and not by works, BUT works have their place in the Believer’s life .

    Comment by jasmine71 — November 12, 2008 @ 6:59 am

  28. For Random Guy,
    You Believe That being in the World-wide Chuch of God-PKG and keeping it’s rules Will Save You..You are brain washed Like A Parrot…. All You Can Do Is Rattle Off your “Beliefs”. However, Where Is Your Faith And Trust In Christ As Your Personal Lord And Saviour.Romans 10:9 States “That If You Confess With Your Mouth Jesus As Lord And Believe In Your Heart That God Raised Him From The Dead,You Shall Be Saved.” Romans 10:10 States “For With The Heart Man Believes,Resulting In Righteousnes, and With The Mouth He Confesses Resulting In Salvation” ;That Is Faith Not Works. There is “A Transformation” That Takes Place In The Believers Heart From Sinner To Saint…” Jesus puts you On The Path Of Righteousness. There Is A New Birth That Takes Place In You .Then you Want To Live A Holy And Righteous Life and to be Transformed By The Precious Holy Spirit. My question to you randomguy is…Who Are You Serving ?Are You Putting Your Trust In God Or In a Man? Lastly,Were Is Your Hope? Is it In Ronald Weinland’s words/books Or In God’s Word ;The Real Truth.

    ~Lynda~

    Comment by Lynda — November 12, 2008 @ 2:27 pm

  29. Honestly, I don’t know how Jesus Christ did it in this world. That’s where my love grows for him. However I can’t say that I entirely love and agree with Jesus Christ or God Almighty yet. Because every time I sin, all I am saying is Lord I don’t agree with your way, I agree with another spirit being’s. But that’s where God’s mercy and love and gift for all of us lyes, through repentence. So my love for Jesus Christ and God Almighty can continue to grow every day of my life and help me fight selfishness, to the point I am in full harmony with God, but even at that point I know I will still be a sinner.
    I know you guys don’t understand but I look forward to the day that it all comes together. It was a miracle in my life and I know it will be a miracle in yours. I have the answers to your questions above but I know you won’t hear them, but then again I’ve already clearly answered them.

    Comment by randomguy — November 12, 2008 @ 3:51 pm

  30. Randomguy, God has not offered salvation to Satan, fallen angels, nor demons; that is why these beings HATE mankind— God only offers salvation to the decendents of Adam (HUMANS). Your thinking of God is very limited. HE is ALL knowing. HE knows who will receive Salvation (when offered) from ETERNITY PAST. Therefore, HE will get the gospel to that person. However, for the sake of this debate, let us say a teenager dies without ever hearing the
    Gospel. God is all knowing. HE knows the Choice that teenager would have made with the Gospel had it been offered. HE will then judge accordingly. If that teenager would have accepted Jesus as LORD, GOD will never send him/her to Hell. Therefore , no one gets a second chance after death to accept Jesus as LORD and SAVIOR.
    These “what if” scenerios are just excuses that unbelievers make to reject God’s Word and/or to support their own false beliefs.
    The shameful fact is that most people who are offered the Gospel when alive reject it. Please read the Parable in Matthew of the Sower and the seed. Jesus show us in this Parable that only 1/4 of all people that are offered the Truth actually accept it. Mankind would rather live in darkness than in the Truth of God’s Word.

    Comment by jasmine71 — November 13, 2008 @ 10:57 am

  31. Random Guy,
    You Choose To Live In Darkness Because It Supports Your Life Style; like your False Beliefs. God Isn’t Interested In Our Works or what We Choose To Not Celebrate Or To Celebrate….The King Of Kings And Lord Of Lord Is More Interested In “The Conditon” Of Your Heart”….You Could Follow Every Rule Possible And Still Fall Short Of The Glory Of God…Do You Know The Bible Says About “Our Works” Random Guy.Isaiah 64:6 states that For All Of Us Have Become Like One Who is Unclean, And All Our Righteous Deeds Are Like A Filthy Garments;Jesus Isn’t Interested In How You Follow The Sabbath So Nicely or How You Try not To Sin Everyday….Jesus Is More Interested In How You Respond To Him….Will You Admit To Jesus That You Need To Give Up Your “Worldly Habits” And Turn To Him And From Your Sin….I Give “My Worldly” Habits To You Lord Jesus…I Don’t Want To Live This Way….(That is Really Change And Really Repetance). I Give You These Areas Of My Life Jesus…You See Random Guy, If You Really Believe In The Bible, You Would Have To Change Somethings In Your Life ;You Don’t Want To Do This. Like Jasmine 71 has Said , It Is Important for you To Read The Sower And The Seed….For The Enemy Wants To Take The Seed And Choke It Out…Jesus Is The Only One Who Can Give You A New Nature To Live For Him….Not R.W. -Not Obeying R.W Teachings- Without That New Nature You Can Not Walk Where The Lord Walks…Without That Seed Of Righteousness Planted In Us….We Are In Full Darkness…The Lord Calls Our Heart Wicked And Unrighteous….There Is Not One Righteous The Bible Says…I Know You Believe You Can Get To The Lord By Following Your Rules Of “Armstrongism” and Getting Your Second Chance But That Chance Is Now. Accept Jesus as your LORD and SAVIOR now. This May Be Your only chance Random Guy!!!!!!

    ~Lynda~

    Comment by Lynda — November 13, 2008 @ 3:05 pm

  32. No second chances are given after death. Hebrews 9:27 – “And as it is appointed for men ONCE to die,but after this the Judgment.”

    Matthew 13:1-23 is the Parable of the Soils; it is about the Sower and the seed that I previously mentioned.

    I believe that the whole Bible is the inspired Word of God. 2 Timothy 3:16,17 -“ALL Scripture is given by inspiration of God and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness, that the man of God may be complete, thoroughly equipped for every good work.”

    R.W. and his followers follow false doctrines because they do not rightly divide the Word of God.

    2 Timothy 2:15,16 -” Be diligent to present yourself approved to God, a worker who does not need to be ashamed, rightly dividing the Word of Truth (the scriptures). But shun profane and vain babblings, for they will increase to more ungodliness.”

    Comment by jasmine71 — November 14, 2008 @ 9:38 am

  33. Concerning Lloyd and his own false prophecies there are many documentations from Lloyd’s own voluminous mouth. ClickHERE and HERE for a few of the many documented facts about James Lloyd and his false prophesies. Funny how Lloyd is quick to note others’ false prophecies but fails miserably in recognizing his own.

    Comment by david Wilson — January 30, 2011 @ 3:35 pm

  34. Click HERE here for my own blog concerning the false prophet and merchandiser James Lloyd.

    Comment by David Wilson — January 30, 2011 @ 3:40 pm

  35. I notice where Jasmine has deleted my previous posts and links concerning the fraud that is James Lloyd. Sure Lloyd exposes some frauds but what is neglected here is the fact that James Lloyd himself is a fraud. Jasmine has just earned herself an article and a link from my site which can be accessed by googling the terms “James Lloyd blog” and clicking on the link from the search results that takes you to the christianmedianetwork exposed blogspot site. I would have written the URL out but judging from “Jasmine’s” previos deletion, I suspect that she has a ban on the site already planted in her blog panel. such is the nature of these folks at ChristianMediaNetwork that James Lloyd runs.

    This post will be screen-shot on stored on a photo sharing site to be posted after Jasmine deletes it.

    Comment by David — January 30, 2011 @ 9:58 pm

  36. You just earned yourself an article on my blog site. Congratulations. Click HERE

    Also click Here

    Your pic coming soon.

    Comment by david — January 30, 2011 @ 10:28 pm

  37. Hi David, Thank you for the feedback. I don’t agree with everything James Lloyd claims. Nor am I a follower of the Christian Media network. At the time I posted his article, I agreed with James that Ronald Weinland was (still is) a false prophet. Anyway, I approved all of your comments because regardless of the veracity of James Lloyd’s ministry/Christianmedianetwork, time has proven that Ronald is nothing more than a charlatan of a christian cult. It is just pathetic that people still follow him.. Ronald still claims he is God’s witness and that Christ will return in May of 2012. Again, based on his past lackluster track record as a prophet, I’d bet my very life that Christ won’t be returning on that date. I feel incredibly sad for his followers and pray that they will see the light and find the real Jesus of the Bible.

    Comment by jasmine71 — January 31, 2011 @ 7:20 am


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