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December 29, 2008

Unbeliever’s soul after death

Unbeliever is one that rejects Christ as their personal LORD and Savior. Read the post on ‘Saving Faith’ for more details on that topic. That said , this post deals with the destination of unbelievers after death. Mankind is superior to other forms of life in that he is an immortal person. Plant life has body; animals have a body and self-consciousness. Mankind has spirit, soul, and body. The soul and spirit makes up the person.
The body is the physical house in which the person dwells while here on earth. The soul is the self consciousness that responds to environment and thoughts, and is the center of the senses – taste, touch, smell, hearing, sight. The spirit is that which can comprehend spiritual things; God-consciousness, conscience.
” I pray God your whole spirit and soul and body be preserved blameless unto the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ” (I Thess 5:23; Heb. 4:12).
The word “death” means separation; it is the separation of the soul and spirit from the body.
Hell
The Bible teaches more about Hell than it does about Heaven. Hell is a location. it is not here on the earth [were humans reside], nor is it a thing of the imagination. Hell is a place of spiritual torment in this age because the bodies of the unbelieving dead are in the grave, Hell is believed to be in the center of the earth. ” The way of life is above to the wise, that he may depart from hell beneath” (Prov. 15:24).
Unbelievers are NOT annihilated after death- they do not cease to exist. They exist in a condition of ruin and conscious separation from God throughout eternity. ” The Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with His mighty angels, in flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ: who will be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of His power” (II Thess. 1:7-9). The word destruction does not mean annihilation. You can destroy a piece of paper, but it is not annihilated. Though it is burned and the ashes scattered, the chemical formula still remains. There is no annihilation of anything, including men. To destroy means to “cease from its original capacity: to be ruined.”
“The fire that never shall be quenched: where their worm dieth not, and the fire is not quenched” ( Mark 9: 43, 44). Here the word worm is an old English expression referring to the ” germ of life, ” or the soul. Everlasting destruction is everlasting separation from God in torment.
The question is asked, “But does fire really mean literal fire in connection with Hell?” The Bible often uses the word fire simply as being symbolic or some trial or testing, etc. However, whenever God’s Word is symbolic it usually gives the explanation. In the case of Hell fire, it is never explained to be anything other than literal fire. ” It is better for thee to enter into life halt or maimed, rather than having two hands or two feet to be cast into everlasting fire” (Matt. 18: 8).
Others ask the question, “If God is a God of love, how can He create anything so cruel as an eternal Hell?”
Hell was not made for men. It was made for Satan and his angels. But men who disobey God and follow Satan will have to go with [Satan] some day. God is a God of love, and for that reason He provided a Savior for sinners. Those who reject God’s Son and trample under foot the blood of the Son of God cannot hope hope to escape eternal punishment and they deserve it.

The Lake of Fire

There is a difference between Hell in this age and the lake of fire throughout eternity. Those in Hell now are in spiritual torment only, for their bodies are in the grave. After the second resurrection the bodies of the unbelievers will be raised and become spiritual bodies which cannot die or be destroyed. Throughout eternity they will be in physical and spiritual torment in the lake of fire. The Bible does not say just where the lake of fire will be, but of one thing we are sure, it will not be in the center of the earth for God makes a new earth “wherein dwelleth righteousness” (II Peter 3; 13).
But there is no doubt about there being a lake of fire. ” And Satan that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone… and shall be tormented day and night forever and ever… And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death…. The lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death” (Rev. 20:10, 14; 21: 8).

Such versus as these take the frivolity out of the subject of Hell. How many people laugh and say, ” I don’t care if I go to Hell; there’ll be plenty of company there!” There will be plenty of others there, yes. But company, no! There will be weeping and gnashing of teeth. it is not good company when everyone is gnashing his teeth. There is no love in Hell, no peace, no hope, no light, no mercy, no friendship; no such words as mother, sweetheart; not even one drop of water! Hell is no laughing matter.
I recommend you read “A Divine Revelation of Hell ” by Mary K. Baxter. The book gives you a very good idea about how horrific your existence will be for all eternity if you reject Jesus as your personal Lord and Savior; and if you do not live a holy and righteous life for Jesus daily.

December 15, 2008

Saving Faith

God says that we are saved by faith in the Saviour. To be saved means that we are delivered from the penalty of sin which is eternal Hell, and delivered from the power of Satan’s kingdom now in this present life, and some day will be delivered from the very presence of sin when we get to Heaven.
Salvation is by faith not by works. “Therefore being justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ” (Rom. 5:1). “Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to His mercy He saved us” (Titus 3:5). Nothing that we can do will take away our sin ; we need a Saviour.
Salvation is the receiving of a Saviour – Someone who will take away our sin and give us a passport to Heaven. Until we receive God’s way of salvation, there is nothing we can do to please Him, ” all our righteousness are as filthy rags” (Isa. 64:6).
Suppose someone came to your home and beat your son and even killed him. Then he turned with no sense of guilt and offered to assist you in your home or business. Would you welcome such service? No doubt you would drive him away, saying, “Begone! I do not want your help!”
Yet people think they can please God by doing this or that, by going to church, keeping Lent, walking in a procession, giving money to the church, being baptized, being kind to others, but they have never received God’s Son as their Saviour and are rejecting His way of salvation. Not to receive Christ is to reject Him and to be guilty of crucifying Him.
We can hardly say that we are trusting Christ when we are also trusting our own works to help save us. If we have to help God save us, then He is not God and cannot save us at all. It is not Christ plus our works, or Christ plus a church, or Christ plus rituals. There is only one “ladder” to Heaven and that is God’s Son, the one way, the one door, the one Mediator, the one Lord and one faith (John 14:6; 10:9; 1 Tim. 2:5; Eph. 4:5).
You might say you have faith in a certain chair to hold your weight and give you rest. But if when you sit on the chair you clutch at a nearby table or another chair, obviously you do not trust the chair at all! Either Christ can save us or He cannot. He does not need our help, that is sure. “Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith without the deeds of the law” (Rom. 3:28; 4:5; Gal. 2:16).
The Steps of Saving Faith
The way of saving faith is so clearly set forth in Scripture that even a child can understand. There is no excuse for anyone to blunder and miss the way. Sad to say, men are not seeking the Bible as their guide but listen to some neighbor or some church or even to their own warped imaginations. What poor comfort to hear wellmeaning friends tell the bereaved or afflicted, ” Just keep your chin up! Have faith and all will be well!”
There are three steps to saving faith, and all three blend into the one act of receiving God’s way of salvation.
A. Believe– this does not mean that we have to know all about the Bible. But it does mean that we believe what God says about our being sinners and about Christ being the only Saviour. Faith is based upon the knowledge of God’s way of salvation. The head must be informed, for “faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the Word of God” (Rom. 10:17). The Bible is the only Book that gives us this truth. “How shall they believe in Him of whom they have not heard? (Rom. 10:14). Do you believe that God’s Word is true? Do you believe that you are a sinner? Do you believe that Jesus Christ is the Saviour? “Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved” (Acts 16:31) . Then you have taken the first step of salvation. Now see what the next step is.
B. Repent– the heart as well as the head is involved in saving faith. When we see ourselves as sinners before a holy God, and hate that sin and want to be saved from it, then we have taken the second step of saving faith. We are to “believe in thine heart” (Rom. 1:9), and this is deeper than just head knowledge. It includes love and repentance. “Except ye repent, ye shall all likewise perish” ( Luke 13:8; Rom. 2:4; 2Peter 3:9).
Salvation delivers us from sin as well as from Hell. “His name shall be called Jesus, for he shall save his people from their sin” (Matt. 1:21). There is little purpose in saying we want to be saved if we want to continue a sinful life. God does not save us to remain in sin.
There are too many people who want to be called Christians but have no desire to live a Christian life. The question is, Are they really saved?
When we are saved, we are saved from something to something else. A man in a sinking boat, whose SOS is answered, must get out of the sinking boat and get into the rescue vessel! We are dealing with God who knows our heart, and salvation depends on our sincerity and repentance. But sorrow for sin alone is not saving faith. Many a drunkard weeps for his plight and repents for his alcololic spree, but he is not saved. Repentace is the second step in saving faith.
C. Receive– this involves the will. When we realize that we are sinners, and hate our sin and want to be saved, then the next step is to ask Christ to save. We receive Him by praying and inviting Him to come into our heart. ” If any man hear my voice, and open the door, I will come in” (Rev. 3:20). We might not feel Him come in, for this is not a physical event, but we believe He will keep His word. We are saved by faith.
This last step of saving faith is a definite act, a onetime event, a moment of decision. It is not enough to believe about a Saviour, or just to be sorry for sin, we must invite Christ to take over our lives.
Sometimes all three steps are taken at the same time. Sometimes they come gradually. But the moment we receive Christ as our personal Saviour, that is the time of salvation; we are born again, justified, sanctified, converted. “For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved” (Rom 10:13). “But as many as received Him, to them gave He power to become the sons of God” (John 1:12). We are saved only once!
So then, saving faith includes the head, the heart, and the will. It is a complete surrender to Jesus Christ of all that we are and have! Even the feet are surrendered to walk for God! It is a complete “about face ” from sin to God and righteousness.

December 9, 2008

Why millions of professing Christians will go to Hell.

Why would millions of professing Christians go to hell?

Because millions of professing Christians have never heard the true gospel

They think salvation is in a simple prayer asking Jesus into your heart and asking for forgiveness of your sin. (God also demands that you change and become a new creature. You must live a righteous and holy life .)

God has commanded us to be perfect even as He is perfect

In fact, the only way you can get to heaven is if your perfect

So how is anyone going to make it heaven?

God sent Jesus to take your place so that you could become the righteousness that is in Him

2 Corinthians 5:21 “For He made Him who knew no sin to be sin for us, that we might become the righteousness of God in Him.”

Jesus took your place and God turned His back on Him

Psalm 22:1-2 “My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me? why art thou so far from helping me, and from the words of my roaring? O my God, I cry in the day time, but thou hearest not; and in the night season, and am not silent.”

Then God killed Jesus with all the hatred and wrath that should have been poured out on you

Isaiah 53:10 “Yet it pleased the LORD to bruise him; he hath put him to grief: when thou shalt make his soul an offering for sin, he shall see his seed, he shall prolong his days, and the pleasure of the LORD shall prosper in his hand.”

Once your born again you are perfect in Christ and will no longer live in sin, but in order for you to recognize that He lives inside you, you must walk in His footsteps. You will not be perfect in the body, only in spirit, but you will no longer live in the flesh

Romans 6:3-5 “Or do you not know that as many of us as were baptized into Christ Jesus were baptized into His death? Therefore we were buried with Him through baptism into death, that just as Christ was raised from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life. For if we have been united together in the likeness of His death, certainly we also shall be in the likeness of His resurrection.”

1 John 3:5-6 “And you know that He was manifested to take away our sins, and in Him there is no sin. Whoever abides in Him does not sin. Whoever sins has neither seen Him nor known Him.”

Romans 6:6-7 “Knowing this, that our old man was crucified with Him, that the body of sin might be done away with, that we should no longer be slaves of sin. For he who has died has been freed from sin.”

If the old man still lives than Christ is not in you

If this is true than hardly anyone is going to make it to heaven

Jesus said in Matthew 7:13-14 Enter by the narrow gate; for wide is the gate and broad is the way that leads to destruction, and there are many who go in by it. Because narrow is the gate and difficult is the way which leads to life, and there are few who find it

Proverbs 14:12 “There is a way which seems right unto a man, but leads unto death.”

So there is a way that you think is going to get you to heaven, but it will end you up in hell

Many people are lost and yet think they are saved

Philippians 3:18-19 “For many walk, of whom I have told you often, and now tell you even weeping, that they are the enemies of the cross of Christ: whose end is destruction, whose god is their belly, and whose glory is in their shame—who set their mind on earthly things.”

These are people who say they are Christian. They go to church, they read the bible, they pray and try their best to be a good person, but they are missing one thing. They do not have Jesus

Even though they profess to know Jesus, they do not produce any evidence of being born again

What does that mean?

Jesus said in Matthew 10:33 “Whoever denies me before others, I also will deny them before my Father in heaven.”

People think, well if someone asked me if I believed in Jesus, I would say yes

That’s not what Jesus is talking about. Look at what the bible says in Titus

Titus 1:15-16 To the pure all things are pure, but to those who are defiled and unbelieving nothing is pure; but even their mind and conscience are defiled. They profess to know God, but in works they deny Him, being abominable, disobedient, and disqualified for every good work.

Your works are fruits of either righeous works or unrighteous works and those who produce fruits of unrighteousness are not Christain

James 3:11-12 “Does a spring send forth fresh water and bitter from the same opening? Can a fig tree, my brethren, bear olives, or a grapevine bear figs? Thus no spring yields both salt water and fresh.”

Jesus said in Matthew 7:18-19 A good tree cannot produce bad fruit, nor can a bad tree produce good fruit. Every tree that does not produce good fruit is cut down, and cast into the fire

People say, “Well, I know in my heart that I am saved.” Proverbs 28:26 says, he that trusts in his own heart is a fool. Why? Because the heart is deceitful.

Jeremiah 17:9 “The heart is deceitful above all things, and desperately wicked: who can know it?”

But what about going to church and reading the bible? What about praying everynight and trying my best to be a good person?

Well, according to the bible there is no one good enough to go to heaven

Isaiah 64:6 But we are all as an unclean thing, and all our righteousnesses are as filthy rags; and we all do fade as a leaf; and our iniquities, like the wind, have taken us away

Job 15:14-16 “What is man, that he could be pure? And he who is born of a woman, that he could be righteous? If God puts no trust in His saints, And the heavens are not pure in His sight, How much less man, who is abominable and filthy, Who drinks iniquity like water!”

Romans 3:10-12 “As it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one: There is none that understandeth, there is none that seeketh after God. They are all gone out of the way, they are together become unprofitable; there is none that doeth good, no, not one.”

Jesus said in John 3:6-7 “That which is born of the flesh is flesh, and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit. Do not marvel that I said to you, ‘You must be born again.’

Oh I go baptized in my church and the pastor said I was born again

Your pastor says? What about God? does His opinion have any meaning to you? are you putting your trust in what your pastor tells you?

Psalms 118:8 “It is better to trust in the LORD than to put confidence in man.”

Let me tell you this, if what your pastor tells you is contradicing to the Word of God, then your pastors is wrong

Jesus said in John 1:6 “I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.”

You must be born again into the righteousness of Christ. Once you are born agian you will live like Christ. You will love righteousness and hate evil.

Paul said in 2 Corinthians 5:17 “Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new.”

New music, new movies, new cloths, new activities, new attitude, a whole new style of life that proves that you’ve been saved. All the unrighteousness in your life is replaced with righteousness. You no longer desire the sinful things of this world, but you will follow after Christ and love His commands.

This is why John the apostle said in 1 John 2:6 “He who says he abides in Him ought himself also to walk just as He walked.”

Paul said in Galatians 2:20 I have been crucified with Christ; it is no longer I who live, but Christ lives in me

How do you know if Christ is in you?

Paul said in 2 Corinthians 13:5 “Examine yourselves as to whether you are in the faith. Test yourselves. Do you not know yourselves, that Jesus Christ is in you?—unless indeed you are disqualified.”

Look at the friut you produce. As Jesus said, a good tree cannot produce bad fruit. A person who goes out and gets drunk every weekend or even every other weekend, is not a Christian

1 John 1:6 “If we say that we have fellowship with him, and walk in darkness, we lie, and do not the truth.”

1 John 2:3-5 “Now by this we know that we have come to know Him, if we keep His commandments. He who says, “I have come to know Him,” and does not keep His commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him. But whoever keeps His word, truly the love of God is perfected in him. By this we know that we are in Him.”

If your not living like Christ, then you can have no assurance that He is in you

You must repent and believe the gospel and once you truly humble yourself to God, He will change you

It doesn’t matter how sinful you are or how many times you’ve rejected Jesus, He still loves you and wants to give you eternal life. Humble yourself and give your life to Christ and you will be saved. Turn away from all your sin and live for Jesus
The bible does not say to ask for forgiveness for your sin, it says to confess that your a sinner

1 John 1:9 “But if we confess our sins, He will forgive our sins because we can trust God to do what is right. He will cleanse us from all the wrong we have done.”

The bible does not say to ask Jesus into your heart. You must lay down your life to follow Him

Luke 9:23 “And he said to them all, If any man will come after me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross daily, and follow me.”

Why is this so important? Because this life is your only chance.

Hebrews 9:27 “And as it is appointed for men to die once, but after this the judgment.”

After you die it’s over. What you did with your life will determine where you will spend eternity. You must put more thought into what you believe because if your wrong it will cost you your chance to go to heaven

Jesus said few will enter heaven

I love you and just want to make sure your one of them

This is origional work from sure faith ministries

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Millions of professing Christians are blindly walking down the broad way to hell

You can make a difference!

Be a witness!

December 7, 2008

Ronald Weinland under demonic delusion -Part 3

This article, written by COGwriter, gives more updated information on the false prophet, Ronald Weinland(RW). The article is very long but well worth the read. Followers of RW, please heed the warnings. Time will prove all of this information true. As a side note, this writer is from the Living Church of God ; I post this article just to prove it is not just Protestants that frown upon RW ‘s claims/ prophecies.

Concerns About Ronald Weinland’s Church of God, Preparing for the Kingdom of God
Opinions by COGwriter

This article will discuss several matters related to Ronald Weinland of Church of God, Preparing for the Kingdom of God (CG-PKG). Like most of my Church of God (COG) group articles, this one will focus on how CG-PKG has teachings that differ from the old Worldwide Church of God (WCG).

Who is Ronald Weinland (sometimes misspelled as Ronald Wienland)?

Ronald Weinland was a minister in the WCG, then a minister in the United Church of God (UCG), but a number of years ago declared himself a prophet–he did that many years after the Philadelphia Church of God’s Gerald Flurry did the same. If he has much of an actual following, I simply have not encountered it (PCG is many times CG-PKG’s size). (Perhaps I should mention that we in the Living Church of God do not believe that Gerald Flurry or Ronald Weinland are God’s prophets.)

Although he does have a certain calm demeanor and a fair amount of biblical truth (he was actually part of the Church of God for a while before he branched out and declared himself a prophet), I personally do not consider that Ron Weinland is faithful to God. In 2006, Ronald Weinland publicly declared he was one of the two witnesses of the Book of Revelation–and I disagreed about that then and now (to learn more about them, please see the article Who Are The Two Witnesses?).

Ronald Weinland now leads the Church of God, Preparing for the Kingdom of God (CG-PKG), a group he formed.

The About page of his website stated:

The organization of the Church of God-PKG was established to serve those scattered brethren of the Church of God who desired to hold fast to those truths restored to the Philadelphian era and revealed through God’s end-time apostle, Mr. Herbert W. Armstrong. For the past several years, the church has been serving scattered brethren on every continent by sending published material and/or taped weekly sermons to those who have requested such service.

In the past few years the church has also been serving those scattered brethren who want to have fellowship with the Church of God-PKG by providing a teleconferencing system whereby people have been able to phone in to hear Sabbath services from any point in the U.S. or Canada.

The pastor of the church, Ron Weinland, has been helping scattered brethren come to understand how the recent, turbulent history of the Church agrees with those things that God gave testimony concerning His Church at the end-time, just before the return of Jesus Christ to this earth (http://cog-pkg.org/about/ 011406).

As this article will document, I do not believe that CG-PKG is meeting its purpose for being established as I do not believe that it properly “holds fast to those truths restored to the Philadelphian era and revealed through God’s end-time apostle, Mr. Herbert W. Armstrong” as it claims.

Note: There are daily news, doctrinal, and prophecy updates at the Church of God News page for those interested in how world events are fulfilling Bible prophecy. And there have also been frequent updates on Ronald Weinland at that page.

Ronald Weinland’s First Book The Prophesied END-TIME
Ron Weinland wrote a book titled The Prophesied END-TIME, which he published in 2004, and which I have read in its entirety. The book cover states, “Ronald Weinland was ordained a minister in God’s Church in 1981. Then, in 1997, he was called to be a prophet for this end-time. A prophet, in this context, is ‘one given inspired interpretation of recorded prophesies’ ” (Weinland R. The Prophesied END-TIME. 2004).

As far as I can tell, the main work of CG-PKG was to promote that book, as well as a second book which was released in the Fall of 2006. It has little other regular literature as far as I can tell.

CG-PKG’s main website page stated:

God’s Church observes the 7th day Sabbath and the seven annual Holy Days as given in Leviticus 23. Our purpose is to support, educate, and warn the scattered Church that was formerly united in the Worldwide Church of God. More than ever, now is the time to be preparing for the return of Jesus Christ. The prophesied events we have been experiencing, over the past few years, are the very events that announce His coming.The end-time has come. Hundreds of millions will die in the worst time of tribulation the world has ever known. You need to be informed so you can know how to respond .

The Prophesied End-Time will challenge readers as they consider catastrophic end-time events that are prophesied to begin very soon. Although many will not take seriously what is written here, they will gradually experience disbelief as the events covered in this book begin to unfold (http://cog-pkg.org/ 011406).

While everyone in any Church of God realizes that at least hundreds of millions will die in the great tribulation, his book makes certain prophetic/doctrinal points that disagree with what Herbert W. Armstrong taught.

Specifically, Ron Weinland claims in his book that the Philadelphia era ended in January 1986 (the month Herbert W. Armstrong died), the open door to proclaiming the Gospel was closed then (The Prophesied END-TIME, p. 109), and that there cannot be two eras at once/simultaneously. In addition, he states that Living Church of God (LCG) and UCG claim to be Philadelphia, which his book claims neither can be.

Regarding the work, he and any who think CG-PKG may be faithful need to read the article Should the Church Still Try to Place its Top Priority on Proclaiming the Gospel or Did Herbert Armstrong Change that Priority for the Work? This article documents, mainly from quotes from the Bible and Herbert W. Armstrong why the open door was not closed when Herbert W. Armstrong died.

Regarding two simultaneous Church eras, his teaching is not consistent with what Herbert W. Armstrong taught. He forgets that Herbert W. Armstrong said that some in Sardis were still around during the Philadelphia era, which by extrapolation would indicate that some in Philadelphia could be around during the era of Laodicea–and this is the Living Church of God’s position (and appears to be confirmed by Revelation 3:10-11).

FWIW, I should note that UCG does not claim to be Philadelphia, nor does it officially teach the concept of Church eras as Herbert W. Armstrong did. Ron Weinland’s book (The Prophesied END-TIME, pp. 177-178) is simply inaccurate about how LCG and UCG officially portray themselves regarding Church eras (for details, please see the article on Differences Between LCG and UCG).

He, like others, makes many errors regarding being faithful to the teachings of Herbert W. Armstrong, and like others has changed the Gospel message. For example, in the section of his book on The End Time Elijah (p.89) he states,

“The end-time Elijah had a commission to restore truth, but only to the Church”

Herbert W. Armstrong never taught that the message of the truth was only to the Church (also, more information on Elijah can be found in the article The Elijah Heresies).

Is Ron Weinland One of the Two Witnesses?
Although I had heard reports that Ronald Weinland claimed to be one of the two witnesses mentioned in the Book of Revelation, I at first questioned it as I had seen nothing at his website suggesting he was claiming this years ago.

Actually, originally, his website seemed to deny this as he wrote (apparently before claiming to be one of the two witnesses):

The job of witnessing has been set aside for “two” to accomplish by the power of God. No church organization is going to do it, and no individual is going to be able to set himself up as God’s apostle to do it. It is for the “two” who are yet to be sent by God.

So today we find that the witness some organizations believe they are doing is actually a witness that God already did during Philadelphia. According to prophecy, the only great witness that remains is the one God will do through His two witnesses at the very end (Weinland Ronald. Time is Running Out. Copyright © the CHURCH OF GOD-PKG. 2005).

So, I emailed him and asked:

Dear Ronald Weinland:

It has come to my attention that several over the internet are reporting that you now claim to be one of the two witnesses of the Book of Revelation. While I know you claim to be a prophet, I have seen nothing in your literature that suggests to me that you make that claim.

Do you now claim to be one of the two witnesses?

On 1/20/06, I received this reply:

Yes I do make the claim. I am one of the witnesses. The subject is already covered in sermons on our website and will be covered far more thoroughly in a new book that will be out before next Feast of Tabernacles.

Ron Weinland

Ronald Weinland earlier wrote that the Church’s correct work should be “addressing what was actually confronting Laodicea” (The Prophesied END-TIME, p. 177), but that is not (according Revelation 11) the emphasis of the two witnesses (though perhaps they may some role in that).

Apparently Ron Weinland is also into a bit of allegory regarding the two witnesses (and although I may have misunderstood him, he apparently does not intend to wear any type of sackcloth or send forth fire) as he wrote:

Notice: “And I will give power unto my two witnesses, and they shall prophesy a thousand two hundred and sixty days, clothed in sackcloth” (Revelation 11:3). The symbolism of “sackcloth” is given because these two will be filled with humility (Weinland, Ronald. 2008 – God’s Final Witness. Copyright © 2006 by the-end.com, inc., Cincinnati. Published October, 2006, pp.21-22).

And if any man will hurt them, fire proceeds out of their mouth and devours their enemies, and if any man will hurt them, he must in this manner be killed. They have power to shut heaven so that it does not rain in the days of their prophecy, and they have power over waters to turn them to blood, and to smite the earth with all plagues, as often as they will. (Revelation 11:5-6)…

The fire proceeding out of their mouth is symbolic of the power to pronounce exacting judgments upon anyone who would do them harm (2008 – God’s Final Witness, p. 89).

While it is remotely possible that the two witnesses will not wear actual physical sackcloth, Revelation 11:13 is not speaking of just humility, but specifically that the clothing of the two witnesses will not be fancy–probably in contrast to the beast, who is likely to be flashy/wealthy in appearance. And in particular, I also suspect that the two witnesses actually will sometimes wear some literal sackcloth, at least at times. And that they will wear at least some black while they are publicly warning the world. I also believe that they will actually perform miracles, such as fire from them devouring their enemies–I do not believe that the fire mentioned in the Bible is only symbolic.

Those truly interested in the two witnesses, should read the article Who Are the Two Witnesses?

Ronald Weinland’s Second Book 2008 – God’s Final Witness
In January 2006 , Ron Weinland told me that he was also producing another book, which he called God’s Final Witness, which he planned to promote in late 2006 and beyond. Well, the title was slightly modified and is now called 2008 – God’s Final Witness.

The book is 244 pages long and explains what Ron Weinland believes he understands from God and the Bible. And although I do not agree with his timing or many of his comments, he (like nearly all others in the COGs) does at least understand that the United States will be destroyed (though we have differences on the specifics).

Here is what his other website states about more Ronald Weinland prophecy:

From now until the latter part of 2008, many prophecies are going to begin to be fulfilled, especially the Seven Thunders of the Book of Revelation, which the apostle John saw but was restricted from recording. Those thunders are revealed in this book, as well as detailed accounts of the final three and one-half years of man’s self-rule on earth, which are recorded in the account of the Seventh Seal of Revelation.

Some of these prophecies concern the demise of the United States over the next two years, which will be followed by man’s final world war. This last war will be the result of clashing religions and the governments they sway. Billions will die! This time will far exceed even the very worst times in all human history.

As these events unfold, the world will increasingly become aware of the authenticity of the words in this book and realize that Ronald Weinland has been sent by God as His end-time prophet.

This book is primarily directed to the people of the three major religions of the world (Islam, Judaism and Christianity), whose roots are in the God of Abraham. Ronald Weinland has been sent to all three. (http://www.the-end.com/ 11/26/06).

While I believe that Ron Weinland is sincere, I do not believe God has sent him to be one of the two witnesses. Nor do I believe his understanding of the seven thunders is correct–nor his prophesied timing of them–nor that the United States demise will occur by 2008.

Anyway, one of the points the book makes early on is:

The truth is, that eventually, in the United States alone, over 250 million will die. (Weinland, Ronald. 2008 – God’s Final Witness. Copyright © 2006 by the-end.com, inc., Cincinnati. Published October, 2006, p.7).

The above is probably correct. I say only probably because while the Bible indicates that over 90% of Jacob will ultimately perish, the United States has so many Hispanics and other non-Israelites, that it is not biblically certain that over 250 million must die in the United States as the USA does not have 250 million Israelites–but over 200 million would seem to be biblically expected to die.

The book also states:

The False Teaching
For Judaism, the real basis of the problem and great false teaching is this: Judaism claims to truly follow the God of Abraham, but doesn’t observe Passover as God instructed in Leviticus 23, “In the fourteenth day of the first month at even (Heb. “between the evenings”–ben ha arbayim) is the Lord’s Passover” (Lev. 23:4). Instead, Judaism observes Passover after the fourteenth day, on the beginning of the fifteenth, which is the first day of Unleavened Bread—a High Day—an annual Sabbath. But God clearly says it is to be observed in the fourteenth day (2008 – God’s Final Witness, p. 40).

While I agree that many of the Jews observe the Passover on the wrong day (please see the article on the Passover), I do not believe that that is the real basis for the inaccuracies of Judaism. The Jews rejected Jesus (biggest problem), most Jews do not even try to observe the Laws of God, and none of them are observing the sacrifices required by the Hebrew scriptures, but instead are relying on traditions of men to reason around all of those. The reliance on traditions of men is the real basis for why the Jewish religion is in error and why it misunderstands Passover, not mainly because of Passover’s date as Ronald Weinland’s writings suggest.

The book also states (bolding his):

Today, without exception, every theologian and scholar of the Bible is fully blind to the truths of God (2008 – God’s Final Witness, p. 68).

By every, I presume he means everyone in every COG other than his as well.

Furthermore, the book states this “prophecy”:

The most notable deaths early on, which are yet to come to pass, will be the two remaining television presenters in the Living Church of God.

The sound of this thunder will be intensified by the early deaths of the leaders of the Philadelphia Church of God, the Restored Church of God and the Church of the Great God. Then, those in the largest scattered group, who think they have escaped, will be lifted up to believe that God is with them because they are so filled with pride. But, when that happens, the deaths of many in the United Church of God will begin (2008 – God’s Final Witness, p. 107-108).

Apparently he considers that since LCG is the most effective in getting its message out, it must go first, followed by those who are next in effectiveness. I hope none of his followers will help fulfill the above horrible prophecy.

The RonaldWeinland.com page claims:

Unlike The Da Vinci Code which is fiction, 2008—God’s Final Witness is true and reveals hidden secrets that man has not been able to uncover for thousands of years. No one in the three major religions of the world (Islam, Judaism and Christianity) has ever known the prophecies that are revealed in this book, which are beginning to unfold even now.

2008—God’s Final Witness reveals the Seven Thunders of the Book of Revelation, which the apostle John was not allowed to record! It also gives more specific end-time prophecies that will sharply increase during the next year and one-half when the final tribulation of this world strikes (Quote online 6/13/07).

While it is true that the Da Vinci Code contains much error, it does have some truth (please see the article The Da Vinci Code: Some Good, Most Bad). Similarly, while 2008—God’s Final Witness is mostly error, it sometimes has some truth. But unlike the Da Vinci Code which is a novel, 2008—God’s Final Witness, is being claimed as truth.

In his second book, Ronald Weinland declared:

I am to announce, through God’s direct revelation, that I am one of those two witnesses. The other witness will be revealed to the world during the time of the great tribulation—within the final three and one-half years of man’s era (Weinland, Ronald. 2008 – God’s Final Witness. Copyright © 2006 by the-end.com, inc., Cincinnati. Published October, 2006, p.16).

Although, it is most likely that the two witnesses are alive right now, and maybe we in the COGs will know who they are prior to the final 3 1/2 years, I do not believe that he is one of the two witnesses of Revelation 11 (I believe his writings on governance, the work, Jesus, and prophecy have pretty much ruled him out).

At his “personal website”, Ronald Weinland posted:

This new site for 2007 is timely since this year will prove to be exceedingly important concerning end-time prophetic events…

Recent advertising in RTIR Magazine has helped stir interest in subjects like, 1) God’s plan to end this age of mankind and bring His Kingdom to this world with Jesus Christ as King of kings – a new world ruler over every nation on earth 2) false teachings in traditional Christianity, 3) prophecy relating to the demise of the United States beginning in 2008, 4) Ronald Weinland being one of the two end-time witnesses, 5) Ronald Weinland being a prophet of God for this end-time, 6) the prophecies in the Book of Revelation, especially those pertaining to current events that match prophecy (Weinland R. Welcome. January 16, 2007. http://www.ronaldweinland.com/ viewed 01/15/08).

This year of 2007 is nearly over. Looking back, it has proven to be prophetically eventful. This year has been marking a conclusion to mankind being allowed to freely follow the path of his own choosing. We are about to enter the period when God begins to bring a full end to man’s self-rule. The fulfillment to end-time prophetic events is about to be thrust upon the whole world, and man’s way, as well as Satan’s, is about to begin to be shut down!

The world economy is shaking/quaking worse each day and is coming more and more to the forefront of news commentary. Next year will see the Dollar collapse and the Euro become the new strength for the world’s economy. The thunders of Revelation are now going to begin to increase in intensity and frequency. Beginning in February, those thunders will increase dramatically, and by April this world will begin to be shaken to its foundations.

Everything I am doing, and everything the Church of God – PKG is doing is geared towards these realities. There is no wavering and there is no hesitation!…

February will be here soon! Don’t squander the time that is in front of you. Use it wisely! (Weinland R. YEAR NEARLY OVER. November 24, 2007. http://www.ronaldweinland.com/ viewed 01/15/08).

Hence Ron Weinland seems convinced that the end will begin in 2008. I am not sure what he part of the thunders he expects to occur in February 2008–but none actually happened.

Furthermore, notice the following from pages 23 and 116 of his book, 2008 God’s Final Witness:

Yes, I do know the timing of events as the Seals of
Revelation are opening. I do know we are in the end-time and
that six Seals have already been opened. I know the exact day
the First Seal was opened. As will be covered in another
chapter, I know the exact day the Sixth Seal was opened, and
the world will be shocked and in horror on the day that the
Seventh Seal is opened…

Once the Seventh Seal is opened, the first of Seven Trumpets
will be blown. Each Trumpet will announce a specific phase of
great tribulation on the earth. The first four trumpets will
proclaim the demise of the United States and her closest allies.

The world was not in shock and horror on April 17, 2008, when Ronald Weinland claimed that the first trumpet was supposed to have blown. Nor was it a month earlier (March 18, 2008) when Ronald Weinland claimed that the 1290 days of Daniel 12:11 began and the seventh seal was opened (see also Ronald Weinland: Nothing Happened March 18th Because What Happened Was Spiritual?).

Thus events simply HAVE NOT gone the way the book 2008 God’s Final Witness said they would. The time to stop following Ronald Weinland is clearly here IF his supporters will simply face the facts.

The End (Meaning the Great Tribulation) Will Not Begin in 2008
Contrary to the claims of Ron Weinland (and some others), the great tribulation will not begin in 2008 nor will the seven thunders be fulfilled nor will the United States demise occur by then (as various writings from him state)–several prophetically required events are simply not in place for those events to occur yet.

In addition to teaching that the Great Tribulation begins in April 2008, motive what else Ronald Weinland claims on the last page of one of his books:

By the fall of 2008, the United States will have collapsed as a world power (2008 – God’s Final Witness, p. 244).

And while the United States will eventually fall, it will still be a world power at the end of 2008.

Having had three European trips in past three-four years, I will state that the Europeans are simply not ready to fulfill their role as the supporters of the King of the North-the Final Beast Military Power yet. The Europeans do not consider that they are united, they have not accepted any type of universal religion (and while Pope Benedict XVI is working on that–this still is not ready), have not completed their Galileo project (a “GPS” system that will allow them to work independently of the US military’s system), have not finished their systems for “international prosperity”, have not acknowledged ten kings which need to be determined (Revelation 17:12), have not strengthened/unified their military enough, etc. The Europeans are NOT ready to destroy the United States this year.

And while “Galileo” itself is not a biblical requirement, the idea of Europe having its own powerful military clearly is (see Revelation 13:4). There are also events in Daniel 11, Matthew 24, and other prophecies that I do not believe have been fulfilled to the degree necessary for the actual final 3 1/2 year great tribulation to possibly begin in 2008 (though it will start in the future, and actually could begin several years from now). The King of the North simply will NOT attack the English-speakers unless he is certain that he will win.

Interestingly, even Roman Catholic prophecies indicate a great ruler to arise in Europe who will eventually destroy the English (for specific documentation, see the article Who is the King of the North?). But there simply is not such a person who could be ready for this by 2008.

And even though events in Iraq and Iran may help lead to the ascension of a strong Muslim leader, the Arab League is still not united enough to be the prophesied King of the South. And while I do agree that there are tensions in the Middle East, the infrastructure for a power there to challenge the European Union still is not there, even though it seems to be in the early forming stages (more information is in the article The Bible and the Arab World In History and Prophecy).

2008 is not going to be the beginning of the great tribulation (and those interested in seeing more reasons why may wish to read a related news item titled At Least Two Wrongly Claim Great Tribulation Will Begin in 2008). Those who follow any who state that the great tribulation will being in 2008 are allowing themselves to be deceived.

Is David Pack One of the Two Witnesses?
There was a rumor going around, which I never posted at my news page, that Ronald Weinland claimed that David Pack is the other of the two witnesses. That rumor was not true.

When I asked him about it, I received the following response:

No I haven’t said such a thing about Dave. We are not going in the same direction.

Ron Weinland

I did post the above response so that those interested in the truth would realize that the rumor was false. I do have a concern that now that this rumor is out and now that Ronald Weinland claims to be one of the two witnesses, that it would not surprise me if one who has taken false titles to himself (Gerald Flurry comes to mind) may decide they need to claim to be one of the two witnesses.

The two witnesses prophesy (Revelation 11). Gerald Flurry has claimed to be a prophesying for years. David Pack claims that the Holy Spirit must work through him so powerfully, that he must be an apostle and suggests he will be the one to train the two witnesses (my best recollection is that David Pack has taught that as an apostle he is above the two witnesses, who are prophets). (An article of possibly related interest may be Why Not the Restored Church of God?)

Thus one of them, or someone less known, may (like Ronald Weinland has) make that claim to be one of the two witnesses (or to train them, in David Pack’s case).

Comments on Differences

CG-PFK, on its FAQ page, has made the following statements:

As it was stated, there are over 500 splinter groups that have emerged from the scattering that took place during and after the apostasy of the organization of the Worldwide Church of God. Each organization claims to be doing the work of God. Doctrinally, this is impossible!

No individual has the time, resources, or intellectual ability to examine every organization to try to discern who, if any, is doing God’s work at this time…

But we are to be Laodiceans who have listened to God and followed the instruction Jesus Christ gave us to be zealous and to repent.

Candidly, the largest scattered group, which is the United Church of God, is one that Ronald Weinland joined from its beginning and continued for nearly two years. But after exposing the misappropriation of $4.5 million by its leadership, the political practices of much of the leadership, and doctrinal laxity, he chose to resign. It was through this stand on true principles of Godly leadership that God led him to begin this present work. Besides these matters, the United Church of God is guilty of tolerating large numbers in its ministry who hold to the false doctrine of a 14th/15th Passover, which is covered in the first book. Such matters reflect whether or not the spirit of God is working in those who claim to be faithful stewards of God’s word.

Actually, I have articles at the http://www.cogwriter.com home page that discuss details on around two dozen groups which essentially represent 98% of those 500 “groups” (as most of those “500 groups” are not really groups, but a couple of families who meet together, which I classify as “independents”, hence I contend that it certainly is possible to be able to discern which group is the most faithful).

Yet it should be clear to any willing to look into the facts that CG-PKG simply does not hold fast to the truths and priorities of what Herbert W. Armstrong taught were what made the Philadelphia era different.

Specifically CG-PKG:

1) Does not teach the restored truth on governance as Herbert W. Armstrong did (though it now claims to),
2) Fails to mention that Herbert W. Armstrong taught that the Gospel of the Kingdom was to be preached until going to a place of safety, and
3) CG-PKG like several other groups, has changed the work from being a primarily a warning message to the world to a feed the flock message.
4) CG-PFK like several groups, teaches that it is to be composed of repentant Laodiceans–Herbert Armstrong taught that until the Great Tribulation it would be the Philadelphia portion of the Church of God, and NOT the Laodiceans, who would get the warning message out.

Why?

Because according to CG-PKG,

the end has come…Indeed the end-time has come upon the world, and the six prophetic seals of revelation have been opened. The end-time did come, once the gospel was preached into all the world as a witness (The Prophesied END-TIME, p.95).

The correct work according to CG-PKG should be “addressing what was actually confronting Laodicea”, and not “rebuilding ‘the work’ of Philadelphia” (The Prophesied END-TIME, p.177).

Like PCG’s original version of Malachi’s Message, CG-PKG teaches,

“Joseph W. Tkach, Sr. was the man of sin and son of perdition” (The Prophesied END-TIME, p.178).

Like RCG’s David Pack, Ron Weinland seems to think he has been appointed the messenger to Laodicea.

CG-PKG’s leader has apparently taught against government like Herbert W. Armstrong said God used him to restore to the Church of God. Two examples can be found in his letters to UCG,

I am resigning because I can no longer conscientiously support the current practices of this organization. The organization is slowly slipping back into that from which we were jolted loose (Weinland, R. Letter 5/26/97)

What I as a pastor am concerned about at this time, is not doctrine…We are blessed with having a constitution and bylaws that give incredible strength to sound, basic doctrines we hold dear… Too many people have been deeply hurt because of an intolerance to different ideas, programs, and plans of local congregations. There is the distinct feeling from many in the church that H.O. is pushing and pulling for more control over everything (Weinland R. Letter, 12/27/96).

By arguing against UCG’s governance the way he did, Ronald Weinland is basically saying he is against what Herbert W. Armstrong stated was the restored truth about governance (please see the article You May Have Been Deceived About Herbert Armstrong’s List of Restored Truths and WCG’s Earliest Changes!).

It should be noted that UCG had made many doctrinal changes from what Herbert W. Armstrong taught, including governance when Ron Weinland was writing positive things about UCG’s doctrines (further documented proof can be found in the old article, Differences Between UCG and GCG). So, for CG-PKG to claim its was established to hold fast to those truths restored to the Philadelphian era and revealed through God’s end-time apostle, does not make any sense to me.

Furthermore, in his latest book he stated (any bolding his):

The 144,000 will return with Christ on this same day after the seven last plagues are poured out upon the earth. It is at the beginning of this same day that the return of Jesus Christ becomes visible to the whole world (2008 – God’s Final Witness, p. 23).

The countdown for the end-time has already begun, and it began when Jesus Christ started to open the seals of Revelation, the first of which was opened on December 17, 1994 (2008 – God’s Final Witness, p. 24).

There will be only one great resurrection on the very day that Jesus Christ returns, and this will be the 144,000 (2008 – God’s Final Witness, p. 74).

#1: The First Thunder is the beginning terror of war for the end-time… The success of al-Qaeda’s terrorist attack on 9/11 was the beginning of the First Thunder. This was the very day the Sixth Seal of the Book of Revelation was opened (2008 – God’s Final Witness, p. 92).

This first phase of this Fifth Thunder has already begun in a very small way upon the Church of God that was scattered, after the prophesied apostasy (2 Thes. 2)…Instead, these will stubbornly cling to their own ideas of how they believe God should teach them through their own organizations. This phase of the Fifth Thunder is one of my own choosing, which God has granted me as part of His own will and purpose for the Church (2008 – God’s Final Witness, p. 92).

While I will not comment on the potential accuracy of the above statements, I will say that they are different than what Herbert W. Armstrong taught on those subjects (including that Herbert W. Armstrong never taught that it would take over 12 years to open the seals of Revelation, or that the First began this many years before the end, that a man will determine a phase of the Fifth Thunder, etc.). And speaking of Herbert W. Armstrong, here is what he wrote regarding the identity of the 144,000:

WHO Are the 144,000?

You have probably heard many interpretations. They are all in error. Men are unable to interpret this prophecy. The first thing to notice is that the TIME of the sealing of this 144,000 is yet in the future–it is after the Great Tribulation and the heavenly SIGNS, and just before the plagues of God’s Judgments! It has not happened yet!

Second, this prophecy is plain, and means just what it says– 144,000 of the 12 tribes of Israel–12,000 of each tribe. Where are they today? Where are the lost ten tribes?

But these 144,000 are not all! “After this I beheld, and, lo, a great multitude which no man could number, of all nations, and kindreds, and people, and tongues, stood before the throne, and before the Lamb, clothed with white robes, and palms in their hands… And one of the elders answered, saying unto me, What are these which are arrayed in white robes? and whence came they? And I said unto him, Sir, thou knowest. And he said to me, These are they which came out of great tribulation, and have washed their robes, and made them white in the blood of the Lamb” (Rev. 7:9, 13-14) (Armstrong HW. The Book of Revelation Unveiled at last!. WCG, 1972, p. 35).

I should also state here that it was Jesus Himself who told the Philadelphians to:

Hold fast what you have, that no one may take your crown (Revelation 3:11).

Hence, those who truly wish to follow Jesus should cling to the ideas, work, and practices that the Philadelphia church had, and not accept insults/threats from others to get them to change where they should not change.

Comments on Doctrinal Similarities
I have received emails from individuals without a Church of God background who are intrigued with some of the teachings that Ron Weinland has that are held by others in the COGs.

However, I caution those who are so intrigued to realize that there are other COG groups with much more of the truth than CG-PFK has.

Several articles of related interest may be:

Hope of Salvation: How the COGs differ from most Protestants How the COGs differ from mainstream Protestants, is perhaps the question I am asked most by those without a COG background.
The History of Early Christianity Are you aware that what most people believe is not what truly happened to the true Christian church? Do you know where the early church was based? Do you know what were the doctrines of the early church?
Sola Scriptura or Prima Luther? What Did Martin Luther Really Believe About the Bible? Though he is known for his public sola Scriptura teaching, Martin Luther’s writings about the Bible suggest he felt that prima Luther was his ultimate authority.
The Similarities and Dissimilarities between Martin Luther and Herbert Armstrong This article clearly shows some of the doctrinal differences between in the two. At this time of doctrinal variety and a tendency by many to accept certain aspects of Protestantism, the article should help clarify why the COG is NOT Protestant.
Which Is Faithful: The Roman Catholic Church or the Church of God? Do you know that both groups shared a lot of the earliest teachings? Do you know which church changed? Do you know which group is most faithful to the teachings of the apostolic church? Which group best represents true Christianity? This documented article answers those questions.
Universal Offer of Salvation: There Are Hundreds of Verses in the Bible Supporting the Doctrine of True Apocatastasis Do you believe what the Bible actually teaches on this? Did you know that the doctrine of the offer of universal salvation is biblical?
Did The Early Church Millenarianism? Was a literal thousand year reign of Christ on Earth, often called the millennium taught by the early Christians?
There are Many COGs: Why Support the Living Church of God? This is an article for those who wish to more easily sort out the different COGs, as well as to learn what the COGs are all about.

The 1335 Days Did Not Begin on February 2, 2008
On February 7, 2008, Ronald Weinland announced the following in a posted letter:

We are now feverishly trying to simply plan for the burst of activity that is coming our way over the next couple of months. We are there! As it was mentioned in this past Sabbath’s sermon, the final countdown has begun, as the 1335 days before the actual day Jesus Christ returns began on February 2, 2008…

Just over the last couple of months, the numbers of those God has brought to the Church has more than doubled our size. All indications are that over the next few weeks it will double again. Yet this is not about numbers, but it is about what God is doing at this end-time, and in a few months such numbers will be minor in comparison to those who God begins to call on a far greater scale worldwide…

Wayne Matthews is the presiding evangelist for Australia and New Zealand. Johnny Harrell is the presiding evangelist over the United States and Canada.

(Perhaps it should be mentioned that the Johnny Harrell above was also once part of the Worldwide Church of God then the United Church of God–he should not be confused with the 1970’s militia leader with the same name.)

The seven year agreement with Israel referred to in Daniel 9:27 has not occurred yet–and since the 1290 days of Daniel 12:10 does not begin until the middle of this seven year agreement, it is not possible that the 1335 days could have began on February 2, 2008. The daily sacrifices (see Daniel 9:27; 11:31; 12:10) have not even started yet, hence it is not possible for the 1290 days of Daniel 12:10 to begin March 18, 2008 which is basically what Ronald Weinland is teaching.

If Jesus is to return in the Fall of some year (which is what Ronald Weinland teaches–and he is probably correct on that point–though he has the wrong year–he specifically teaches that the return will be September 29, 2011–and one of those times was his 3/15/08 sermon where he said. “September 29, 2011, Jesus Christ returns”), since the seven year agreement has not yet been made, the great tribulation basically cannot begin before 2012 (more on this is included in the article End of Mayan Calendar 2012–Might 2012 Mean Something?). Thus, Ronald Weinland’s opinions of prophecy are again in conflict with scripture.

Although Ron Weinland claims to be faithful to the teachings of Herbert W. Armstrong, he fails to realize what Herbert W. Armstrong taught about the beginning of the 1335 days:

And the abomination that maketh desolate set up.” What is this abomination? This refers to Daniel 11:31 and Matthew 24:15…From this time (Daniel 12:11) to Christ’s coming will be 1290 days. Now, verse 12, “Blessed is he that waiteth, and comes to the 1335 days.” Never before have we understood these periods of 1260, 1290. and 1335 days. But it seems evident, now, a blessing is pronounced on us–GOD”S CHURCH–who wait and endure until the 1335 days–approximately 1335 days prior to Christ’s coming. But since no one can know the day or hour of His coming, we probably shall not be able to know the exact day this 1335 days begins. But apparently that is the time when OUR WORK SHALL END. That will be a time when the UNITED Europe shall appear–the revival of the medieval “Holy Roman Empire.” (Armstrong HW. Personal. Good News magazine January 1980).

The organized work of proclamation has not stopped (even Ronald Weinland is not teaching that it has)–thus he has once again deviated from the teachings of Herbert W. Armstrong on prophetic matters. Furthermore, the Bible supports Herbert W. Armstrong’s position (please see the article Who is the King of the North? for more details).

Based upon February 2, 2008 allegedly beginning the 1335 days, this would mean that the 1290 days would begin on March 18, 2008 and the 1260 days on April 17, 2008. The abomination spoken of in Daniel 11:31 would need to be set up on March 18, 2008 as that begins the 1290 days and the Great Tribulation would need to begin on April 17, 2008 to begin the 1260 days. These two events were not (and are not) yet ready to occur (please see the article Who is the King of the North? for more details of that and other events that need to occur prior to the beginning of the Great Tribulation).

Jesus specifically taught:

15 “…Therefore when you see the ‘abomination of desolation,’ spoken of by Daniel the prophet, standing in the holy place” (whoever reads, let him understand), 16 then let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains (Matthew 24:15-16).

The above event did not occur on February 2, 2008, nor March 18, 2008, nor did it occur on April 17, 2008.

Those following Ronald Weinland are being misled and need to open their eyes right now! They need to ignore his smooth talking and check out what the Bible really teaches happens on those days (check out the article Who is the King of the North? for more details of that and other events that need to occur prior to the beginning of the Great Tribulation).

The 1335 Days Will Not Begin on September 30, 2008
On August 21, 2008, Ronald Weinland posted the following:

THUNDERS GROW STRONGER
August 21, 2008

First, before going into the purpose and content of this posting, I would like to announce that the 50th Truth has now been added to The 50 Truths of God that is in the “Publications” section of the Church website.

Postings to this site have been minimal since April…

There have been no interviews and the advertising being done on the Internet has been reduced dramatically…

Since things did not happen in the original time frame that was given because God had not given this 50th Truth, those who were responding solely out of fear and desire for self-preservation are no longer seeking God’s help. Those who are skeptics, critics and mockers have only grown bolder in their deceived and misguided confidence…

The reality is that all that has been given in the past will still come to pass, but simply a few months later than previously understood. As covered in the 50th Truth that has just been posted, on Trumpets of this year the final countdown for the return of Jesus Christ will have begun, but the world will not begin to respond to God until the Trumpets of the Seventh Seal begin to sound, and most will not begin to be earnest in their response until after the Fifth Trumpet has sounded…

One of the most astonishing events and loudest thunders since 9-11 is the conflict between Georgia and Russia…

The minds of peoples and leaders in ten European nations are now being molded so that one day soon they will agree to unite as the United States of Europe and it will be at that time that they determine to set their own course and control of the future—through immediate aggression in war. It will be this European union that plunges the whole world into war, and not Russia or the United States.

This is not a time to draw back, become slack, or let down from being spiritually on guard. Everything is rapidly moving forward, and on Trumpets of this year we will have entered the final 1335 days before the return of Jesus Christ and the establishment of the government of God over all the earth.

Actually, it is Ronald Weinland who has misguided confidence. He claimed that he and his wife were the two witnesses; that the 1335 days began on February 2, 2008; that the Great Tribulation would begin on April 17, 2008; that the USA would be nuked by June 8th (then changed to mid-July); and now he claims that the 1335 days will start on Trumpets (which is September 30, 2008).

The Bible did not support the start of the 1335 days on February 2, 2008 as I posted back then, nor does it support the 1335 days beginning on September 30, 2008 (which is what James Malm seems to be teaching–I denounced both Ronald Weinland and James Malm’s positions in 2007 see At Least Two Wrongly Claim Great Tribulation Will Begin in 2008, as well as throughout the year 2008).

Perhaps I should mention that Ronald Weinland never prophesied the Russia-Georgia situation as part of the coming thunders. He claimed that with the increasing thunders first COG leaders would die (none did); then the USA dollar would be worthless a little past April 2008 (it is worth perhaps more now than then); then his critics would be stricken and apparently die (none have as far as I can tell); then the nuclear attacks would affect the USA (this did not happen); then other countries would be involved.

Additionally, here is what the CGPFK website reports on Ronald Weinland’s current timelines:

Timelines Questions Answered
God has revealed that there is a separation between the opening of the Seventh Seal and the start of the Great Tribulation. God reveals the truth progressively and will continue to do so through His end-time prophets: “Surely the Lord GOD does nothing, unless He reveals His secret to His servants the prophets” (Amos 3:7).

1335 Days: The sealing of the 144,000 that will make up the Government of God at Christ’s return in 2012 will take place on the September 30th, 2008, and 45 days later we arrived at 1290 days.

1290 Days: The Seventh Seal is opened on the 14th of November, 2008, which signifies an end to the abomination of desolation that has been working in God’s Church. This marks the beginning of an awakening for spiritual Israel – the final remnant of the Church of God that was scattered (those baptized before December 1994 – approximately 3000), and will continue right up until the return of Jesus Christ. 30 days later we arrived at 1260 days.

1260 Days: The blowing of the first Trumpet will occur/occurred on the 14th of December, 2008. This is the beginning of the Great Tribulation and 3 1/2 years until the return of Jesus Christ on the day of Pentecost. The beginning of the fall of the USA and other Israelite countries begins from the start of the 1260 days. God will reveal this period of time for the first Four Trumpets of 6 to 12 months. God will reveal this information to His two end-time prophets (and two end-time witnesses) whose job begins on this same date.

The only way a person can understand this timeline is by revelation given by God. The Church of God knows the date of Jesus Christ’s return because of the timing of the opening of the seals and the revealed truths contained in the annual Holy Days. (http://www.cog-pkg.org/faq/topics.aspx viewed 11/11/08)

The truth is that none of the biblically required events for the 1335 days, 1290 days, nor 1260 days have happened yet, nor can they in 2008. For biblical reasons why, please see the articles Can the Great Tribulation Begin in 2009, 2010, or 2011? and Who is the King of the North?

People need to believe their Bibles over Ronald Weinland. The Bible is clear that Ronald Weinland is not one of God’s true prophets. Notice what the Bibles recorded about prophets like Ronald Weinland:

21 “And if you say in your heart, ‘How shall we know the word which the LORD has not spoken?’– 22 when a prophet speaks in the name of the LORD, if the thing does not happen or come to pass, that is the thing which the LORD has not spoken; the prophet has spoken it presumptuously; you shall not be afraid of him (Deuteronomy 18:21-22).

Ronald Weinland was wrong last time and is wrong this time! People do not heed him or fear what he says!

Does Ron Weinland Teach Unitarianism?
Notice that in his booklet titled Time Has Run Out, Ronald Weinland wrote:

This restoration of truth, which occurred during the leadership of Mr. Herbert W. Armstrong and the period of time we know as Philadelphia, should be an easy thing to acknowledge. Yes, God revealed foundational truth to His Church once again. This era kept His word and did not deny His name. Sardis was known for just the opposite- letting the word of God die out as they themselves were dying spiritually- denying the life of God to live in and through them.

Our history is a testimony to the truth that God used Mr. Armstrong to restore truth to His Church. Doors were opened by God that made this task possible- doors that no one could shut…

To deny that Mr. Herbert W. Armstrong was the Elijah to come before the end-time is either ignorant or willing denial of what is true concerning our history and what God did through him. It is God who restored necessary truth to the Church so that a people would be ready for the second-coming of Jesus Christ.

One of the foundation truths that Herbert W. Armstrong taught was that God is a family and that both the Father and the Son are God. Yet Ron Weinland denies the deity of Jesus. Ron Weinland teaches a form of Unitarianism and that Jesus did not pre-exist:

Although Mr. Armstrong understood that the Trinity was a lie, God did not give him full understanding of what was true concerning Himself and His Son, Jesus Christ. God did not fully lead him out from the pollution of the false Trinity doctrine. Mr. Armstrong still believed that Jesus Christ had eternally existed…

But there is only one eternally-existing member of Elohim and that is the ETERNAL ONE (Yahweh). Mr. Armstrong was never able to come to understand this about God. (2008 – God’s Final Witness, pp. 204, 206).

Jesus Christ has not eternally existed (Weinland R. The Mystery of God Revealed, Pt. 2. Sermon, February 23, 2008–near 56 minute point).

Jesus Christ cannot be the Eternal One–ever! (Weinland R. The Mystery of God Revealed, Pt. 4. Sermon, March 15, 2008–before the middle point).

And while Ron Weinland is not mentioned, an article that comes to a different, and biblically supported opposite conclusion, is Was Unitarianism the Teaching of the Bible or Early Church?.

We in the Living Church of God do believe that the Word existed from eternity, that Jesus came in the flesh, and that Jesus is God.

Ronald Weinland Interview on The Edge Radio on December 15, 2007
Here is some of what Ron Weinland stated from my notes:

The proof is coming…

If it doesn’t come to pass…starting in April, then I’m nothing but a false prophet…

Beginning in April, its important that people believe it…

What we’re talking about happening in this country and around the world is a horrendous thing, it really is…

Things do start in 2008….It will be done by 2011…

There’s already been six seals opened up…and the world is ignorant of it…The seventh seal they will know though…

The destruction of the United States, we are the first to suffer…I wouldn’t want to be in Chicago, Los Angeles, or New York…

By the fall of 2011, that’s when Jesus Christ returns…

A little after April…a dollar bill won’t be worth anything…We’re going to be brought down the tubes, very quickly, starting in April…What happens when a nuclear weapon goes off in New York and Chicago?…

If we come to the point in time where what I’ve said doesn’t come to pass, the reality is that I’m just a false prophet. That’s the bottom line…

The reality is if it doesn’t happen, then you’re just false…I’ll acknowledge my error, my wrong, if I’m wrong…

The primary things…for the world…actually begin after April 2008…

The abomination of desolation has already happened…

By January 2009, we (the United States) will be down the tubes…

Ronald Weinland basically he also said that he would not follow Ellen White (SDA/LCG Differences: Two Horned Beast of Revelation and 666 ) or others and recalculate an excuse or a different date, but that if it does not happen he when and how he says it, he will admit that he is a false prophet. (In his The Mystery of God Revealed, Pt. 4. Sermon, March 15, 2008 he stated that the seventh seal would be opened on March 18, 2008).

Comparing world events to what Jesus and Daniel taught that the “abomination of desolation” has NOT already happened:

Therefore when you see the ‘abomination of desolation,’ spoken of by Daniel the prophet, standing in the holy place” (whoever reads, let him understand), then let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains (Matt 24:15-16).

And from the time that the daily sacrifice is taken away, and the abomination of desolation is set up, there shall be one thousand two hundred and ninety days (Daniel 12:11).

In his 2/23/08 sermon, Ronald Weinland stated that we were “getting close to the 1290” days (referring to 3/18/08), hence he since he teaches that the “abomination of desolation has already already happened” this is one more area that he is into allegory over the plain teachings of the Bible. Thus, he and his followers do NOT understand what they read even though Jesus told His followers to understand this.

The interviewer for The Edge also asked Ron Weinland about Wormwood hitting the earth and Ron Weinland actually said:

There’s not going to be any planet that will hit the earth.

The Bible teaches otherwise:

Then the third angel sounded: And a great star fell from heaven, burning like a torch, and it fell on a third of the rivers and on the springs of water. The name of the star is Wormwood. A third of the waters became wormwood, and many men died from the water, because it was made bitter (Revelation 8:10-11).

Ronald Weinland, in that interview, as well as many of his other writings “spiritualizes” away many literal teachings of the Bible, specifically including statements in the Book of Revelation (more on Wormwood can be found in the news item Comet Coming: Is One Prophesied to Hit the Earth?).

The interviewer also asked who the second of the two witnesses is. And Ronald Weinland stated:

I can’t tell until April 2008.

On page 16 of his book, 2008 – God’s Final Witness, here is another Ron Weinland prophecy:

The other witness will be revealed to the world during the time of the great tribulation…

Thus, he is falsely claiming that the Great Tribulation will begin in April 2008–and that is not so (please see the article At Least Two Wrongly Claim Great Tribulation Will Begin in 2008).

The interviewer asked Ron Weinland what made him different than the prophecy books in bookstores and his two word reply was “April 2008”.

While my notes do not have precise quotes of everything stated, Ron Weinland indicated that he does not believe in a place of safety, that the nuclear attack on the USA might happen in mid-April 2008, and that no place of earth will be safe for long. He basically said that the only thing that people can do is study and repent–and while I do believe that people should study and repent, the Bible does show that some will be protected (please see the article There is a Place of Safety for the Philadelphians. Why it May Be Petra).

He also indicated that although he believes Europe and the Pope will be involved in the attack against the USA, that he does not believe in a final Antichrist. Ronald Weinland stated that he will not go to Jerusalem in 2008 and that some reject him as one of the witnesses because of that.

Although I believe that David Pack of the Restored Church of God is busily fulfilling the following, it also, in my opinion, specifically applies to Ronald Weinland who denies the pre-existence of Jesus:

But there were also false prophets among the people, even as there will be false teachers among you, who will secretly bring in destructive heresies, even denying the Lord who bought them, and bring on themselves swift destruction. And many will follow their destructive ways, because of whom the way of truth will be blasphemed. By covetousness they will exploit you with deceptive words; for a long time their judgment has not been idle, and their destruction does not slumber (2 Peter 2:1-3).

Sadly, false prophets, false apostles, and other false teachers continue to arise and make it so people simply will blaspheme the way of truth that we in the Living Church of God teach. Unlike those of us in the Living Church of God who believe Jesus is God, Ronald Weinland is also “unitarian”–hence he truly does deny the truth about the Lord.

While it certainly is possible that nuclear devices may be detonated in the USA in the Spring of 2008, even if they are, the end will NOT come in 2008 and Jesus will NOT return in 2011. The external signs are just not in place for these occurrences that soon (for some specific reasons, please see the article At Least Two Wrongly Claim Great Tribulation Will Begin in 2008).

Ron Weinland is in error in many points, including his assertion that the abomination of desolation has already recently been fulfilled (details of Daniel 11 prophecies, including the “abomination of the desolation” are included in the article Who is the King of the North?).

In towards the end of the 12/15/07 interview, Ronald Weinland was asked:

What do you see as a requirement for salvation? Be clear and to the point, please.

Ronald Weinland’s answer began with:

Obey God. Ahh, it starts with the Sabbath day.

After explaining a little bit of the difficulties associated with keeping Saturday as opposed to Sunday, Ronald Weinland’s answer ended with:

You obey God or you obey man.

Of course, one should obey God. But what about accepting the sacrifice of Jesus. Peter taught:

Repent, and let every one of you be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins; and you shall receive the gift of the Holy Spirit. For the promise is to you and to your children, and to all who are afar off, as many as the Lord our God will call (Acts 2:38-39).

Ronald Weinland’s lack of mentioning Jesus in a direct question about salvation above was disturbing:

“Nor is there salvation in any other, for there is no other name under heaven given among men by which we must be saved” (Acts 4:12).

Instead Ronald Weinland basically stated that Sabbath-keeping was THE salvation issue–and while people should keep the Sabbath (please see the article The Sabbath in the Early Church and Abroad)–it appears that Ronald Weinland’s focus is off regarding salvation. I feel that his answer reflected poorly upon faithful Sabbath-keepers as we certainly do believe that Jesus Christ is central to salvation.

(In his The Mystery of God Revealed, Pt. 4 sermon of March 15, 2008, he essentially claimed that Sabbath-keeping and tithing were the two signs his ministers look at to determine if someone wanting to be baptized should be–his focus will sadly cause “the way of truth will be blasphemed” as 2 Peter 2:2 fortells.)

When the interviewer asked Ronald Weinland how God spoke to him to let him know that he was a prophet and/or one of the two witnesses, Ronald Weinland basically stated because of special insight through the Spirit while he studied the Bible.

Notice, however, what the Bible teaches:

If there is a prophet among you,
I, the LORD, make Myself known to him in a vision;
I speak to him in a dream (Numbers 12:6).

Yet Ronald Weinland made no such claim. Although elsewhere he has claimed to have direct revelation from God, he has not (as far as I have seen) claimed a specific vision or a dream from God–nor did he do that when asked in the interview–thus this is even further evidence that Ronald Weinland is NOT one of the two witnesses, nor God’s prophet.

The Thunders That Ronald Weinland Claims Were Opened
In the interview 12/15/07, Ronald Weinland essentially stated that no religious person predicted the 9/11 attack or the Sumatra-Andamon earthquake and related tsunami of December 26, 2004, yet they act like these were acts of God, but that somehow Ron Weinland is different as he has specific predictions in his books in advance–and some others only claimed that they were God’s punishment after they occurred.

There are two problems with that. The first is that he claims that the seven thunders were revealed to him, that 9/11 was the first, and that earthquakes (and he specifically mentions the Sumatra-Andamon earthquake) were the second.

Yet, he did not predict them in advance–even though in his book he wrote:

The Seven Thunders have much to do with how God will reveal His two witnesses (2008 – God’s Final Witness, p. 91).

And what about his statement indicating that no other religious leader told of them before they occurred?

But what about his statement indicating that no other religious leader told of them before they occurred?

In his 8/04/01 sermon (five weeks before the World Trade Center attack and around 8 weeks before anthrax was detected), Roderick C. Meredith of the Living Church of God warned that terrorists may bomb the World Trade Center and that biological weapons, specifically including anthrax, could be released in the U.S. at any time (Prophetic Prophecies on the Edge, San Diego, August 4, 2001).

R.C. Meredith wrote in his Personal for the Jan-Feb 2005 issue of Tomorrow’s World magazine (which he wrote and had printed before the December 26, 2004 tsunami), bolding mine,

Events prophesied in your Bible are now beginning to occur with increasing frequency. In this Work of the living God, we are able to warn you about what is going to happen soon. We are not talking about decades in the future. We are talking about Bible prophecies that will intensify within the next five to 15 years of your life! Please understand. We are not “scaremongers.” We love our fellow man. So it is our responsibility to warn our peoples—ahead of time—to prepare for the future. Most of our advice is spiritual in nature. However, in this editorial I want to give you some common sense advice involving your physical survival and your financial well-being…So we must each examine our own situation to determine what action we should take. Are we living in a low-lying coastal area where we may be in danger at a time of increasing hurricanes, tsunamis or similar natural disasters?

And a the largest tsunami in recent history occurred. The fact is that Roderick C. Meredith of the Living Church of God warned of terrorist strikes less than two months of 9/11/01 and wrote warning about a tsunami in late 2004–hence it would seem that the Living Church of God, and not Ronald Weinland should have more credibility here. (I should perhaps emphasize the fact that R.C. Meredith does not claim to be a prophet–he simply wrote that these things would occur according to his understanding of the Bible and its prophecies.)

Thus if Ronald Weinland’s statement about the thunders is to be believed, it would seem that he is inadvertently teaching that the Living Church of God will be the group that will be able to identify the two witnesses as it, and not he, actually taught about terrorist attacks against the World Trade Center towers and a possible tsunami before those events occurred.

In His Last Sermon of 2007, He Also Stated He Would Admit that He was False
The Shadows of WCG blog posted part of a transcript of a sermon from Ronald Weinland’s sermon titled Stay the Course, Part 1, which he gave the end of 2007.

Here is what it reported that Ronald Weinland himself stated:

“I wanna speak very plainly and try to speak openly about some of these things…

You know, one of the things as well, what if Ron Weinland, what he says doesn’t come to pass in April, what if these things don’t happen in 2008. I think about, you know, what have I said in interviews? There’s really a simple answer. False prophet. You know, I get tons of email, I get email every day from people saying, “Well I guess in 2009,” a lot of sarcasm comes out, “I guess you’re gonna be saying this or saying that or trying to explain to people”, No, I’m done.

Just to be real candid with you so people know and people out there listening who don’t believe this at all, they’re listening because they have a different intent, because they know someone else is listening with a different intent then them, again, that’s the only answer, that’s why I answer like I do during the interviews.

There were many times that Ronald Weinland claimed that he would tell the truth and admit he was false if events he predicted did not come to pass. Yet, when they did not, he instead changed his dates and failed to keep his word.

That makes him a liar and a false prophet.

Has Ronald Weinland not read the 15th Psalm? Notice that God shows that the man He approves keeps his word even if it hurts to do so:

1 LORD, who may dwell in your sanctuary? Who may live on your holy hill?
2 He whose walk is blameless and who does what is righteous, who speaks the truth from his heart 3 and has no slander on his tongue, who does his neighbor no wrong and casts no slur on his fellowman, 4 who despises a vile man but honors those who fear the LORD,who keeps his oath even when it hurts, 5 who lends his money without usury and does not accept a bribe against the innocent. He who does these things will never be shaken. NIV

Ronald Weinland has not done so and does not have the approval of God.

I believe that Ronald Weinland is a False Prophet
While Ron Weinland apparently believes what he says, I consider him to be both delusional and a false prophet. After thinking about what Ron Weinland wrote in his latest book, I noticed that he seems to be praying for the deaths of the leadership of LCG, PCG, RCG, CGG, and UCG to show that he is one of the two witnesses. Notice the string of quotes (any bolding his) of Ronald Weinland prophecies:

This first phase of this Fifth Thunder has already begun in a very small way upon the Church of God that was scattered,
after the prophesied apostasy (2 Thes. 2)…Instead, these will stubbornly cling to their own ideas of how they believe God should teach them through their own organizations. This phase of the Fifth Thunder is one of my own choosing, which God has granted me as part of His own will and purpose for the Church (2008 – God’s Final Witness, p. 92)…

#5 The Fifth Thunder is death (p. 100)…

Escalating deaths in the leadership of the scattered groups will serve as a witness of who (p. 104) it is through whom God is working. It will not be done through miraculous signs of healing (p. 105)…

I have also made a petition to the ETERNAL God of Abraham. My petition is that this first phase of the Fifth Thunder be fulfilled exactly as it is written here. This request is so that scattered brethren who are asleep might be awakened and know that God has granted them the opportunity to repent and return to Him at this time. Also, it is so that they may know that I am His end-time prophet, His spokesman for the two end-time witnesses.

It will be revealed in a very short time whether I am God’s prophet or not, as well as whether scattered Church leaders are God’s ministers any longer or not. As stated in a previous chapter, either one of these is true or neither is true.

To make it absolutely clear, my petition covers more in regard to the scattered ministers. The most notable among them will be those who die toward the beginning. However, every minister who was scattered, who fails to repent early on and return to God (with me, as God’s minister, teaching them) will die during the final three and one-half years of great tribulation. They will not be in the first resurrection, and they will not see the millennial reign of God’s Kingdom on earth.

The most notable deaths early on, which are yet to come to pass, will be the two remaining television presenters in the Living (p. 107) Church of God. The sound of this thunder will be intensified by the early deaths of the leaders of the Philadelphia Church of God, the Restored Church of God and the Church of the Great God. Then, those in the largest scattered group, who think they have escaped, will be lifted up to believe that God is with them because they are so filled with pride. But, when that happens, the deaths of many in the United Church of God will begin.

How much more specific can one be to show that he is either of God, and indeed His prophet, or someone who has clearly stepped over the line to be dealt with by God in a speedy manner. Time will tell! And, you don’t have long to wait! (p. 108).

Perhaps that is not what he is saying, but he seems to be teaching that if they do not die by early 2008, he (Ron Weinland) is a false prophet. Stay tuned as I suspect that I will eventually post more about why Ron Weinland is in error. I also believe that it is presumptuous for him to state that he can choose when some phase of the fifth trumpet will begin.

Notice what the Bible teaches:

…when a prophet speaks in the name of the LORD, if the thing does not happen or come to pass, that is the thing which the LORD has not spoken; the prophet has spoken it presumptuously; you shall not be afraid of him (Deuteronomy 18:22).

An article of related interest may be Why Be Concerned About False and Heretical Leaders?

March 29, 2008 Sermon Claimed Destruction by June 8th, 2008
Notice what Ronald Weinland taught in a sermon given March 29, 2008:

If by Pentecost I’m just going to make this real clear to everyone. If by Pentecost it is not powerfully and abundantly clear that there has been a great deal of destruction that will clearly encompass a third of all plant life in the US and at least the clear results of this mingled with blood the death of very much animal life and the beginning of large numbers of human life then I will stop preaching. Just so all the critics and everyone out there will understand. I am true to my word in these things. OK? And for all the critics if by the end of July and for most likely around Pentecost if nothing has clearly caused great destruction and death I will make it very clear that I was a false prophet. I will do exactly what I said I would do on all of those interviews that I have held; to do less, aah well, would be quite insane. (Weinland R. Three More Weeks–quote from near the 1 hour 28 minute point from the CGPFK website version. Sermon given March 29, 2008).

Since Pentecost in 2008 was June 8th, by mid-June Ronald Weinland was to stop preaching according to his own words.

And by mid-July 2008 apologize and publicly admit his error.

Instead on April 19th, he prounounced curses on his critics and by April 26th, he changed one date. And by late June 2008, he changed his dates. And in August 2008, he declared his ideas about critics to be the “50th truth” he restored to the church.

Ronald Weinland’s April 26, 2008 Sermon Claimed No Destruction by June 8th, 2008
On April 26, 2008, Ronald Weinland preached the following:

Now that we’ve gone past the 17th, God has made a few things clear or clearer,

… So, we don’t know. We will have to wait until God shows us. And that’s exactly how things are going to go all the way through this process. We’re going to know as we go along here a little more specifically, on some timing, I’ll discuss these things later on, again

… God has made it abundantly clear, and it’s also posted on the site, I want to clear some of this up, I’ve talked about the 45 days and the 90 days, that was done on the James Whale show, primarily to give an idea here on the general timing of events for his sake and the listening audience, we see how quickly he got onto that one, I’m joking, he didn’t, he never could get it, toward the very end I think he finally got it, you know, when I was saying 45 to 90 days. I want to make it real clear. Nothing will happen specifically about the second trumpet obviously until after Pentecost

…but uh, it is very clear that we will not have anything happen on a massive scale to prevent us from coming together on Pentecost (Weinland Ronald. Back to the Future. Sermon, April 26, 2008, given in Detroit Michigan).

Obviously, he has made changes to his teachings in the past month and is obviously now a false prophet.

Ronald Weinland Interview on The Mike McConnell Show Radio on April 7, 2008
The Weinland Watch blog typed a transcript which reported the statements in writing (which I verified by listening to the radio interview myself today). Here is some from that transcript (without any added blogger comments):

Mike McConnell (MM): And why would you have to be in Israel or why would you choose to be in Israel?

Ronald Weinland (RW): Well I’m going to be there when this all begins on April the 17th because that’s where my job begins and that’s where my job ends. It’s just uh something that I’m to do at this particular point in time…

MM: When you come back would you expect to be able to tell us what you saw, heard, or in any way witnessed that signaled the beginning of the end?

RW: Uh well certainly there we should be able to know very quickly here what’s beginning to take place um. That is the first trumpet that’s blown and it begins to talk about a period of time that this could trigger is going to have a third of everything as far as grass, trees, and so forth burn up um. Obviously then that has a tremendous effect then on agriculture and what that means for the rest of the world right now there’s a rice shortage and grain prices are shooting up there are shortages and it’s uh just the beginning it’s the first thing that begins to happen.

MM: I guess based on weather patterns there is a shortage of something every year isn’t that safe to say?

RW: Oh absolutely. But this is gonna get into the point where it’s so great it’s so strong so powerful that uh this is this is not a small thing this is going to upset a lot of people as as well as uh as well as animals and the like. It’s not a small thing. And by the time you get to the second trumpet it’s even gonna be more devastating and at that point in time there it uh definitely seem to indicate there’s gonna be nuclear weapons go off but I I really some of these things as far as the four seals exactly what they are uh specifically when the nuclear weapons go off and the like uh that’s what my job actually begins April the 17th that’s when I begin my job.

MM: Right then when would the second trumpet come following the first?

RW: Well there’s a period of forty-five days to ninety days that God hasn’t revealed yet and that could very well depend upon people’s response. To what’s taking place. Whether they listen whether they don’t how they respond to things that begins taking place in the first trumpet uh blast takes place so. Uh there’s a period of forty-five days uh that takes us up to about uh the beginning of June and the second trumpet could go at that time or it could take us up to uh a little bit later. Mid-July or even later than that.

MM: Likely June or July.

RW: Uh very likely very likely June or July.

MM: We should see we’ll see dramatic changes between now, now and June or July.

RW:Absolutely. Yeah there’s there’s not gonna be a question in people’s minds when these things begin. These are not gonna be normal things that just happen as a uh consequence of what normal weather patterns or things of that nature there that uh this is going to be of…intensity. It’s not’s going to be a small thing. These are going to be very widespread things that begin to take place.

MM: Well what’s likely to happen and I know this sounds facetious but I’m not. But if anything were to happen they’d just blame it on global warming.

RW: Well the first time they will but when uh nuclear weapons go off they can’t blame that on uh global warming. During this first stage the forty-five days to ninety days that’s exactly what people will do. You’re exactly right . But after that period of time it’s going to it’s going to change dramatically as things of terrorism begin to take place in this country because we have four trumpets that are going to take place here over six months to a year’s period of time and as they take place it’s going to bring this, the United States here to demise. We are we are not we are at our end as far as our country is concerned. I’ve made many comments on different interviews here that we may be able to scrounge together having elections in November but there will not be a new president take office in January…

RW: I wrote the book. And God gave an outline for various things he was very you know there were things very specific there about 2008 uh dates and so forth when things beginning the process uh just like by the time we get to the fifth trumpet we know exactly what’s going to happen that’s when Europe arises. That’s when Europe is given the power they’re given. They fill a vacuum that the United States leaves because we’re going to have an economic collapse here. We’re right at the brink of that anyway. And uh things are trying to hold on as best they can but the reality is this time they’re not gonna be able to hold on. We are going to have a collapse here this year. Before the year is over with we’re gonna have an economic collapse. The Euro has already replaced the dollar as far as strength and power in the world is concerned. And people are starting to move a little bit over there. But they’re panicking too because you know China starts moving over… what they do you know they’ll cut their own throats so. You know it’s it’s difficult for countries out here right now but when we finally collapse uh it’s all said and done and Europe arises and they’re gonna be ten nations in Europe.

MM: Right. You you say that’s when your job starts. What is your job?

RW:Well my job starts April the 17th.

MM: Right. And your job is what?

RW: I am one of the individuals the scripture refers to as one of the two end-time witnesses. One of god’s two end-time prophets.

MM: And you know who the other one is and you won’t reveal it until that point in time?

RW: Yeah next week.

MM: Next week?

RW: Yeah. It’s because it’s not something that’s to be given until that specific time publicly so.

MM: All right is this other person someone you know?

RW: Oh absolutely.

MM: So what uh it could be like your wife or something?

RW: Well. It’ll be announced at that time…

RW: If it doesn’t pan out the only thing I would do is uh . So if I responded to anything at all was to explain to people I was a false prophet that’s the only answer. That I’m no longer a minister.

MM: So if by Labour Day we’re still having a picnic.

RW: Well then I’m I’m through.

MM: Then you would find a different line of work.

RW: Absolutely…

MM: And do you know which cities are going to be nuked?

RW: Well uh, I’ve said many a time here I wouldn’t want to live in New York city or Chicago or LA and uh Houston Texas especially some of those areas uh the larger cities uh those are the primary targets.

MM: And this is something going on between us and Russia? Or us and who?

RW: No, this is uh, some of it’s going to be a matter of terrorism. But even after the terrorism uh actually Europe’s going to uh send a few our way as well. They’re uh we’re gonna be conquered that’s a part of the processes. By the time the fifth trumpet sounds we are going to be conquered by Europe…

Ronald Weinland earlier made it sound like nearly everything would happen in February through April 2008, now it appears that he has given himself more time.

People need to check out what he says and compare that to the Bible and actual world events. Including things that biblically should have happened if Ronald Weinland was correct that simply did not.

The fact is that Ronald Weinland is already a false prophet. (For a detailed discussion of Daniel 11, showing events that need to come to pass, but have not yet happened, please study the article Who is the King of the North?)

James Whale Interview April 10th, 2008
Here are some excerpts (they are reasonably accurate and came from my notes) from an interview with talkSPORT Radio in London:

James Whale (JW): You are actually saying, Ronald, within the next uhm 50 to 60 days, is that right?

Ronald Weinland (RW): In that time frame.

JW: There will be a nuclear device detonated on this planet?

RW: In the United States.

JW: In the United States?

RW: Yes…The first thing that will happen will be in the port cities…

{Insert–Ronald Weinland then basically stated that nuclear attack would be the “second trumpet” and affect port cities like Houston and this would be 45-90 days from now, as opposed to 50-60 days. He said that land nuclear attacks would occur with the third trumpet.}

JW: Starting next Thursday…next Thursday, we will see something in the news?

RW: Yes…and it’s going to be quite strong.

I watched news events on and for April 17th did not see what was biblically supposed to happen at the beginning of the 1260 days (which Ronald Weinland stated starts April 17th, 2008) happen then.

I have been looking forward to Ronald Weinland’s false prophet admissions since he brought up that subject in an interview in December 2007. However, he seems to keep delaying the date, and therefore he seems to have delayed when he might make that type of admission. But the above statement seems to really box him in.

The talkSPORT interview continued and JW then asked something about the Pope to which Ron Weinland replied:

RW: Starting April 17th, he will not be happy…Everything I’m going to say is going to be about the Pope and the Catholic Church and what they have done to this world and traditional Christianity…

JW: Let’s suppose that none of this…nothing has happened…

RW: If things do not by mid-June very clearly so, I will make it clear that I was a false prophet and I will never preach again…

JW…Antichrist…

RW…people confuse Antichirst…he is not a single individual, like the Pope or something…

the great false prophet…that has to do with the Catholic Church…He is going to be saying…He is going to be given special powers beginning April 17th when he is in Washington. D.C.

(Ronald Weinland is incorrect about the Antichrist, but he is correct that the great false prophet will be a religious leader–and probably will be what one could call an “antipope” as the false prophet will most likely endorse a more ecumenical view of Greco-Roman Catholicism–for more information, please see the articles Some Doctrines of Antichrist andTwo Horned Beast of Revelation and 666).

So, Ronald Weinland claimed that he would admit he is a false prophet by mid-June 2008–I personally doubted that he would, and so posted that in this article previously.

But even if with his many delays, time is running out for Ronald Weinland. And I believe that the lack of his prior prophecies coming to pass in accordance with what the Bible teaches demonstrates to those willing to see, that he is already a false prophet.

Ronald Weinland Declared His Wife the Second Witness
Notice what Ronald Weinland posted on 4/18/08:

The Seventh Seal has been opened and now the First Trumpet has been blown…

Having said that, more will be said in the months to come, but now is the time to publicly reveal the name of the second end-time witness. It is my wife Laura. We are a family through whom God will be working to bring an end to this age and setting the stage (and much more) for the age to follow. Many will mock and ridicule, but as we go forward, this time God will place fear in those who mock Him and His servants. Power has been given to make this so.

The glory and the honor is to God Almighty and His Son, Jesus Christ. And His Kingdom is almost here.

I had suspected that Ronald Weinland would name his wife as the second witness. It may be of interest to note that in his latest letter, Ronald Weinland never mentioned any actual outside event that showed that the Great Tribulation has began. And of course, the Great Tribulation DID NOT begin yet.

At most, we are close to what Jesus referred to as “the beginning of sorrows” (Matthew 24:8), which preceded the “great tribulation” (Matthew 24:21). The Great Tribulation will be much worse than current news events.

Ronald Weinland Again Spiritualized Away Events With His 4/19/08 Sermon
Strangely, Ronald Weinland’s pre-recorded 4/19/08 church service begins with the hymn titled “In thy loving kindness Lord”. He titled his sermon It Has Begun–the 1260 Days Have Begun.

The reason that this is so strange, is that instead of loving kindness, basically Ronald Weinland calls for the death of those who point out why he is wrong.

Here are some statements from it from my notes:

We are in Jerusalem…it has been very, very, nice hear….the Harrells are with us…

Everyone has done quite well here…This sermon is filled with power and strength, if you have ears to hear…

All of this is from God…

For those of you who want to mock, I do forewarn you, you are going to cease or you will die…You see, I have a unique job and you don’t understand what that job is…You don’t understand…

You don’t understand the power of God and what He has given me to do…

And my first exercise in use of power, that God has granted me in Revelation 11, is to you, you mockers…Truly.

It begins with you, first and foremost.

You will be the first to experience…You don’t have to wait long.

For those who mock, again, from this day forward, by what you say against God’s people, by what you say against God’s truth, by what you say against God’s truths, by what you say against God’s prophets, you will suffer from sickness that will eat you from the inside out. And you will die. Your death will not be quick…

So now according to Ronald Weinland, those who point out why he is wrong do not understand and thus he calls for their deaths.

As shown earlier in this paper, Ronald Weinland has a history of calling for death. And apparently those he is calling “mockers” are now to die first, before the others whose deaths he called for 2 years ago.

I, however, am NOT a mocker. I am asking people to compare Ronald Weinland’s claims with the Bible, world events, and even his prior claims.

If anyone will honestly do that, they will conclude that Ronald Weinland is a false prophet.

Nothing happened in Jerusalem on April 17th that began the 1260 days. Nothing happened anywhere in the world that fulfilled the 1335 days nor 1290 days (which were supposed to be February 22, 2008 and March 18, 2008, respectively, according to Ronald Weinland’s earlier pronouncements).

Since nothing happened, notice what else Ronald Weinland also claimed later in that same sermon:

April 17th, 2008…

You haven’t understood what was written in my book…

God began to give me what the 17th was all about…I received strength, confidence, boldness…an absolute knowing…I know my job and I’m doing it, because it started on the 17th…

So on the day of the 17th, I knew what would happen on the world scene that most people are looking for. Nothing, nothing and that is the whole point. The world doesn’t know what to look at, what to to look for, so they must be told…

My job as an end-time witness, began on the 17th…

Having said that, more will be said in the months to come, but now is the time to publicly reveal the name of the second end-time witness. It is my wife Laura. We are a family through whom God will be working to bring an end to this age and setting the stage (and much more) for the age to follow. Many will mock and ridicule, but as we go forward, this time God will place fear in those who mock Him and His servants. Power has been given to make this so…

The second book–GOD gave me what to write as I wrote…It is about the will of God…

It has begun…

The trumpet is two-fold. It is physical and it is spiritual…

Two great events happened on the 17th…But the world doesn’t grasp…The scattered church doesn’t see it yet it.

What are those two great events?…

The revelation of both of God’s two end-time witnesses…that’s a great event that began on the 17th…

And the 17th marked the identifying and the beginning of Satan’s direct power and influence of a great false prophet, the Pope of the Roman Catholic church.

So basically, Ronald Weinland seems to be saying that because he believes he is one of the two witnesses, that he received confidence on April 17, 2008. And that this is the event that marks the beginning of the 1260 days, per Revelation 11. He also said basically what I said he would about Pope Benedict (see news item April 17th is Not the Start of the Tribulation). (I should perhaps also add that I do not believe that Pope Benedict XVI is the great false prophet that the Book of Revelation warns against–nor do I believe that Satan’s influence over the Pope increased on April 17th.)

But what about all the other events? What about people fleeing Jerusalem before the start of the 1260 days of the great tribulation per Jesus statements in Matthew 24? Of the saints given into the hand of the pompous one per Daniel 7:25-27?

Instead, Ronald Weinland is claiming that the Bible simply should not be looked to, but that people who do not understand how Ronald Weinland is trying to explain HIS book are those with the problem.

How sad.

Ronald Weinland continues to “spiritualize away” physical events and apparently now claims that the only physcial event to occur on April 17th, 2008 was that he and his wife Laura received the confidence and power to be the two witnesses.

Ronald Weinland is sadly still fulfilling 2 Peter 2:

2:1 But there were also false prophets among the people, even as there will be false teachers among you, who will secretly bring in destructive heresies, even denying the Lord who bought them, and bring on themselves swift destruction. 2 And many will follow their destructive ways, because of whom the way of truth will be blasphemed. 3 By covetousness they will exploit you with deceptive words; for a long time their judgment has not been idle, and their destruction does not slumber (2 Peter 2:1-3).

Ronald Weinland is causing the way of truth to be blasphemed.

People who listen to Ronald Weinland need to stop being misled by one who primarily calls for death and ignoring the Bible, as world events have not gone as the Bible shows they must.

Ronald Weinland Claimed in His 5/03/08 Sermon that He is NOT a Future Teller
One of the anti-COG sites reported that Ronald Weinland actually stated the following in his 5/03/08 Sermon:

Much of what we’re going through at this time is not easy for the church, I know, because it hasn’t been real easy for me, so I know it has to be some times that it hasn’t been easy for all of you as well…

Today’s sermon is simply entitled, “April 17th”. April 17th. It’s good we go back and revisit some of that and think about some of those things.

Brethren, whether we understand it or not, that will prove to be a most important day in history. It truly is…

So as we go forward, again, I can only give to you what God gives to me. I am not a fortune teller, and I’m not a future teller.

Well, in all due respect, Ronald Weinland has for the past couple of years portrayed himself as the one God has chosen (along lately with his wife) to specify what would happen in the future. And April 17th will mainly be an important day to Ronald Weinland because its stigma will remain with him the rest of his life–April 17th was NOT the start of the 1260 days like Ronald Weinland still falsely teaches.

The scriptural passage that I would like to mention here would be the following:

21 “And if you say in your heart, ‘How shall we know the word which the LORD has not spoken?’– 22 when a prophet speaks in the name of the LORD, if the thing does not happen or come to pass, that is the thing which the LORD has not spoken; the prophet has spoken it presumptuously; you shall not be afraid of him (Deuteronomy 18:21-22).

As I have been writing for years, Ronald Weinland is a false prophet and is NOT one of God’s two witnesses.

May 24th Sermon – CGPFK Will Continue Even If Ronald Weinland’s Predictions Do Not Come To Pass
Interestingly, CGPFK’s Ronald Weinland gave a sermon in Cincinnati that was titled the Final 3/12 Years. It is amazing because he still then kept teaching that the final 3 1/2 years began on April 17, 2008.

Instead of the Bible, his sermon is focused on chapter 5 of his book 2008: God’s Final Witness. He said that “we obviously did not understand all of this” before. He meant that when he wrote the 2008 book that he said would prove that God appointed him a prophet and one of the two witnesses was not quite accurate.

He claimed that the 30 minutes silence in heaven (presumably he was referring to Revelation 8:1) “took us up to April 17th and the beginning of the 1260 days”.

He stated that the first trumpet was blown on April 17th. And essentially he said that God’s plan is to have had little happen. But that April 17th was the day that Satan’s influence began over the Pope. He indicated that “this period has not been enjoyable for the church”–by this I believe he means that nothing really has happened.

Instead he stated that the stage has been set for the end. He then, in yesterday’s sermon, said:

“It’s hard to understand…

It will come exactly the way God intends…and you will learn more from the process…I am in awe how prideful and haughty human beings are…

Amazing, amazing, amazing…

Many will not listen to the truth. Many will not act upon the truth…

The bottom-line is that mankind does not want the truth…but they do want signs…

Those who want to see a sign are evil and adulterous…it’s a matter of the truth…

You want a sign? You have already had a sign.”

His focus should have been the Bible. Because it is clear what should have happened by now. Specific signs that simply have not happened.

At the beginning of his sermon May 24th, Ronald Weinland mentioned that 6 were baptized into his church within the past week. He later stated in that sermon:

“The tree is known by the fruit…People don’t like to remember these things.”

Well, this is the same Ronald Weinland whose church posted the following in mid-March 2008:

Questions and Answers
As God continues to open the minds of increasing numbers of people, we have come to a time when we are no longer able to handle the growing volume of e-mail and letters. We do not have the resources or manpower to continue answering all questions, therefore, we are compelled to respond by sending “Form Letters.” Those who are genuine about their calling will follow the instruction that is given and will receive the kind of help necessary to properly respond to God.

Over the weeks and few months that follow, God will begin drawing millions to His truth and to repentance. As God does this, it is not His will that people question what He is giving, but that people search out what He has so mercifully made available to them.

His “fruits” are not consistent with fulfilling his own prediction. 6 baptized in one week, two months after his church posted that there would be millions in the next weeks and few months is not much. Actually, to a large degree, he and his wife are self-appointed witnesses that are witnessing to relatively few–even at this stage.

If you attend with his church, are there multiple tens or hundreds of thousands actually with him?

He did state that when he was interviewed by James Whale and said that the nuclear attacks would begin in 45 to 90 days that,

“the 45 days ends on June 1st, the 90 days ends on Jul 16th…No matter what happens then, CGPFK will continue…Johnny and … will be very busy then”.

Ronald Weinland Admited That What He Taught Did Not Happen, But that He and His Group Will Continue
On June 18, 2008, Ronald Weinland, in writing, admitted that what he had been telling people was not happening. Notice:

June 19, 2008

Some have asked why there have not been any recent postings on this site. The answer is, I have had nothing pertinent to report. I have been doing what others are doing: “waiting.”

As I have stated before, I am waiting until July 16 to see whether the Second Trumpet has been blown by that time, which falls within the 90 days I have referenced. In addition, God has been showing me things concerning the First Trumpet that will be carried out throughout the time of the first four trumpets. However, I have also known that I was not yet to be speaking about those things and I am only now beginning to “see” why. It is because this is for a later time.

Since the timing of what I had stated as being the moment when the First Trumpet was blown (April 17), we have seen no clear evidence on a physical plane of the fulfillment of that trumpet, although it has been stated that such things will be revealed throughout the timing of the entire first four trumpets.

Yet, it should be stated again that “nothing” has been seen as evidence on a physical plane concerning this first trumpet, and there cannot be until later in December. So what has happened since April 17? We do clearly see an intensity in the thunders, but only in the thunders. Earthquakes are increasing in magnitude and frequency on a global scale.

The destructiveness from weather is growing far more intense with record numbers of tornadoes. Drought conditions are worsening in some areas of the country, yet others are being flooded. Again, the repetitive nature and frequency of these events is what is important to see. Such events have always been part of the human experience, but the escalation in frequency and heightened magnitude of these events occurring so often is what this thunder is all about.

As far as global economic upheaval, every day there are more reports of serious economic problems in banking, brokerages, large corporations, commodities, transportation, etc. We are now getting very close to a total economic collapse.

Such bad news is becoming so common now that people don’t even seem to take notice, but view it as simply a little glitch that will someday go away and no longer affect us. People are truly becoming complacent about bad news and the true realities of life that are before us all.

Although there is a marked increase in the thunders, there is still no physical evidence in the trumpets. And even though I have stated July 16 as a kind of deadline for the Second Trumpet, I am now deeply convinced that nothing concerning the trumpets will have occurred by that time.

This is not pleasant to have to address, as all of us have planned our lives on such timing. If the second trumpet sounds, with nuclear explosions in port cities, then everything will indeed be fully in line with what I’ve stated in the last interviews and in some sermons. But I do want to state again, I no longer believe that to be the case.

The bottom line is, I must follow what I believe God is showing me. If I have jumped the gun in a couple of interviews and interjected my own understanding into the timing of events, and have thereby been presumptuous, then I will repent and move forward.

I have stated all of this because during last Sabbath’s sermon some scriptures I was reading became magnified in meaning (revealed by God), but what was given to me was not pertinent to that sermon. Each day since this past Sabbath, God has been giving me more understanding concerning the timing of events that I now believe I am to address in the Church, but I cannot do so until after July 16. All this will be explained in sermons after that date.

There is a lot unsaid at this time because there is too much to address in this posting, and these things must be addressed in their full context through sermons that will cover the subject.
The bottom line is that I know I am a prophet of God and God’s minister under Jesus Christ, who is the head of the Church of God, the Body of Christ. As such, I have a job to do and I am going to do it. Some will take great delight in some of this because they do not “see” what God is doing and “why.”

If what I have now been given to see over the last few days (and I am deeply convicted of this already), then there will be a very big issue addressed on Trumpets of this year. It will be the 50th truth (of major basic truths) God has given His Church in this end-time.

Some of you who read these postings have not been listening to the sermons on the Church website (www.cog-pkg.org). It would be wise for you to begin doing so if you want to understand these things and if you want to begin to truly grasp where we are in time. There is so much being revealed on a spiritual plane that cannot be covered in such postings as this, and you should not rob yourself of such insight and experience.

Because of what God has been giving me over the past few days, I now know that I am to resume the trips Laura and I make to scattered areas, and such trips will be planned all the way up to mid-December. All of you need to begin adjusting your thinking as you plan ahead. You need to expand your planning by several months, which will be explained in future sermons.

This end-time is not easy to address in our lives, and it can be very difficult to make adjustments according to what God gives to us, or may even withhold from us, until His timing and purpose. This is often done for our good, our training, and our growth. God knows what we need and when we need it. It is our choice to follow. So as always, “We follow God!”

I do not believe that Ronald Weinland is following God. I believe that he is delusional and that he badly wants to have a following still.

In a sermon on June 21, 2008 titled “Following God”, Ronald Weinland said that nothing would happen between now and July 16th–meaning that he no longer believes what he once insisted upon. He admitted that he was wrong and presumptuous, but then still repeatedly claimed to be God’s prophet.

Ronald Weinland also stated that on September 30, 2008 he would have more information to share (apparently on prophetic matters) and that the purpose and plan will become more exciting. He said “wait, for it will all come together on that day…things that will dumbfound you–dumbfounded me”.

Hopefully, people will open up their eyes. NO one should keep following this obviously false prophet.

Under Criminal Investigation by the I.R.S. in 2008
One website had the following about Ronald Weinland:

Ronald Weinland is being investigated by the Criminal Investigation Division (CID) of the Internal Revenue Service. They are looking into his taxes beginning with tax year 2004 and including all of years since. An investigation by the IRS CID should not be confused with a more common taxpayer audit.

The IRS CID is described:
“The Criminal Investigation Division (CID) is the IRS police department. With the help of the court system, CID puts people in jail. They don’t wear uniforms like police, but they carry gold badges and guns like police. If somebody says they are from CID of the IRS, you or somebody you know is under criminal investigation and may go to jail.”

I contacted website that posted the above, and its webmaster sent me many documents that certainly look real–and I do appreciate his cooperation on this matter.

Having seen those documents, it seems that the IRS is conducting some type of a criminal investigation of Ronald Weinland. He, in his 12/6/08 sermon, indicated that he had put money in Euros in a Swiss bank to protect it so he could do some work in Europe. BUt now that this was not needed, he would bring it back to advertising for the internet.

Of course, just being audited by the IRS, including the criminal portion may or may not be significant as (from what I read in other sources) the IRS is deciding to use their criminal arm more and more even when it is uncalled for–especially for Americans who tend to go overseas somewhat frequently–which Ronald Weinland does (and that of itself is not criminal nor should it be discouraged).

But this audit does suggest another possible problem for Ronald Weinland.

But even if he has no real problem with the I.R.S. (and presuming he will be cleared, he would not), the fact is that Ronald Weinland is not God’s prophet and is a false leader that should not be listened to. My concerns about him have always been primarily theological.

Ronald Weinland’s “The 50 Truths of God”
Instead of coming clean and admitting he is a false prophet like he promised he would, instead Ronald Weinland has been coming up with a variety of delusional doctrines.

He calls these false doctrines truths. He announced the finalization of his list on August 21, 2008.

Here is number 46:

The Church of God- PKG is the only physical organization God is working with in this end-time. God has always worked through a hierarchical method of government, especially at this end-time. There was one end-time apostle during the era of Philadelphia, and this apostle led the only physical organization that God worked through for His Church. Likewise, there is one prophet who leads God’s Church today…

I do not believe that the only physical organization that God could be working through would have a proven false prophet lead it.

Here are part of number 50:

3) God is also going to reveal the perverted attitude and spirit of all who mock Him, His Church, and His servants. Those who scoff, criticize, ridicule, and mock God’s Church have used the occasion of this revelation to find fault with God’s Church for changing doctrine (as they see it) and timing in order to better suit their own false needs. Such critics foolishly and unwittingly put themselves in a position of judging God. The very thing they mock is the very thing that will end up being used to mock them. God is revealing the kind of hatred that has existed in the hearts of men and women toward Him and His people for nearly 6,000 years now.

4) As part of a direct relationship to the previous point, this very thing that scoffers and mockers try to use to discredit God’s end-time prophet and two witnesses is one of the very things that God will use (in a far greater way) to prove who it is through whom He is working. In reality, the fulfillment of the 50th Truth will be great evidence of God’s true servants and the events that reveal the fulfilling of this truth will put mockers and scoffers to shame.

I also do not believe that pointing out why he is false possibly mocks God. Does Ronald Weinland not realize that the Bible teaches:

20 But the prophet who presumes to speak a word in My name, which I have not commanded him to speak, or who speaks in the name of other gods, that prophet shall die.’ 21 “And if you say in your heart, ‘How shall we know the word which the LORD has not spoken?’– 22 when a prophet speaks in the name of the LORD, if the thing does not happen or come to pass, that is the thing which the LORD has not spoken; the prophet has spoken it presumptuously; you shall not be afraid of him (Deuteronomy 18:19-22).

According to God’s word, Ronald Weinland is a false prophet and we should be looking to see that what he claimed did not come to pass. He needs to repent or God may strike him down.

Furthermore, perhaps I should add that Ronald Weinland’s so-called “50 Truths of God” list is supposed to include the 18 truths that Herbert W. Armstrong stated that God lead him to restore to the Philadelphia portion of the Church of God. However, instead of using the actual list from Herbert W. Armstrong, instead Ronald Weinland used the list that Joseph Tkach put together!

And not only was that the WRONG list, Ronald Weinland himself claims that one of his own “50 Truths of God” specifically condemns Joseph Tkach. Here is Ronald Weinland’s “truth” number 23:

The Man of Sin has been revealed to be Joseph Tkach, Sr., who initiated the end-time apostasy. Mr. Tkach tried to change the law of God, and his actions led to great destruction within the Church. By changing the law of God, he exalted himself above God.

Joseph Tkach specifically also changed the list of restored truths, but apparently Ronald Weinland has not accepted that he could possibly be using the wrong, the Tkach, list.

The TRUTH is that if Ronald Weinland would like to know the actual list of restored truths, and not use the J. Tkach list, he (and others interested in this) should read the article The 18 Restored Truths: Do You Know What the First Changes the Tkach Administration Made?.

But one would think that if Ronald Weinland was a true prophet of God that he would have known this prior to his August 21, 2008 announcement of his “50 Truths of God” list. And there have been no indications, yet, that he learned it after August 21, 2008.

Perhaps, instead of condemning those that point out his errors, Ronald Weinland should repent, study his Bible, and stop deceiving his followers. That is what a true servant ofGod would do.

Ronald Weinland’s December 6, 2008 “Transition” Sermon
On December 6, 2008, Ron Weinland gave a sermon he titled A Transition in Eras in the Netherlands. In it he presented a few more unique (and false) doctrines. Here is come of what he said from my notes (hence it is not always precisely verbatim–but an accurate account):

On November 14th we left the Laodicean era…that era is behind us…

Much of what the Bible teaches about the Great Tribulation for the church, not the world…it was spiritual…

We are to enter…a millennial era, so different than the other eras…We are in the transition time from one era to another…another age…the transition lasts exactly 1260 days…

So many read this {the Book of Daniel} physically…Antiochus…that’s stupid…It wouldn’t be something standing in the Holy place physically…Jerusalem…is a sick place…God spewed the whole church out of His mouth…

December 14th begins the 1260 days…This is the group that has riled people up…

Now it goes to physical tribulation…Not immediately…The whole world will be able to see what happens…the resurrection of the 144,000…the end of the 1260 days…then Jesus returns and seven trumpets {begin}…and then the world will see…It begins with Manasseh…

Crazt things are happening…We are not living in normal times…

It will take four of them {trumpet blasts} against the United States…then Europe will rise up…

The focus was right eight months ago…but it has been tweaked…but we know some much more now…We put more into advertising again…

Some of our “fans” twist some things…they think they understand what they do not…

I’m going to bring back all that {money in the Swiss bank} to the USA…for advertising…

Ron Weinland also stated that the apostles were not asking about His second coming in Matthew 24. He said that the first six of the seven seals in Revelation were not about physical events to affect the world, but that they were essentially fulfilled in his mind in what has been happening to the church. He indicated that the “abomination” of Daniel 11 took place on December 17, 1994 (apparently a reference to a sermon by J. Tkach, Sr.). He seems to be teaching that it may be years before the physical tribulation will be clear–and then Manasseh (the USA) will be experiencing the first four-five trumpets of Revelation.

Although we are not living in normal times, Ronald Weinland was wrong in many ways.

The Laodicean era has not ended. The abomination of Daniel 11:31 still has a future fulfillment. The seven seals do affect the world. The entire church is not to be spued out of God’s mouth–that is only to happen to the Laodicean portion (cf. Revelation 3:16), And while the millennium will begin after the 1290 days, he is wrong that this started on November 14, 2008.

He is also wrong that the 1260 days begins on December 14, 2008. He is also wrong that the seven trumpets start with Christ’s return and the first resurrection–this happens at the last trumpet:

51 Behold, I tell you a mystery: We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed– 52 in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet (1 Corinthians 15:51-52).

16 For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of an archangel, and with the trumpet of God. And the dead in Christ will rise first (1 Thessalonians 4:16).

Thus, the first resurrection happens at the last trumpet, not the first of the seven as Ronald Weinland taught yesterday. He and his followers really need to check out what he says and compare them to the Bible–and people need to believe the Bible over Ronald Weinland.

Of course, Ronald Weinland is correct that he has riled some up. But he has done it through his repeated false prophecies and his inclusion of a variety of false doctrines (like unitarianism, Was Unitarianism the Teaching of the Bible or Early Church?). He also is apparently setting everything up so that he can claim this time he will not be wrong when the biblically required do not happen, that he has preempted it with a “spiritual” interpretation.

But he was correct that we know so much more now.

And what do we know?

We know that Ronald Weinland was wrong two years ago, a year ago, eight months ago, five months ago, last month, and now. That his physical predictions did not come to pass. We know that Ronald Weinland broke his promises to at least two radio shows to come back and apologise if he was wrong.

While I have been stating for many years that Ronald Weinland was not God’s prophet, all who look at the facts should clearly be able to see that I was right about Ronald Weinland and that he was wrong.

Ronald Weinland needs to repent and those following him need to check out what the Bible warns against false and heretical leaders like him.

Concluding Thoughts on Ronald Weinland’s Church of God-Preparing for the Kingdom
The CG-PKG differs in many ways from what those of us once in WCG all used to consider to be “the faith that was once for all delivered for the saints” (Jude 3). CG-PKG is just another small group, with its own unique reason to be separate. I have seen no attendance figures, but suspect those that actually consider themselves part of CG-PKG and no other group are less than 100 or 200 –but this is only my personal guess.

Ronald Weinland is too into allegory and simply does not understand much of what the Book of Revelation teaches on many matters, including the two witnesses. He also seems to misunderstand salvation and other issues. What he has claimed would happen as “God’s prophet” simply has NOT come to pass!

I also really have major doubts about those who have abandoned Binitarianism for Unitarianism. Nor have I ever read anything from Ronald Weinland that suggests to me that he is a true prophet or one of God’s appointed two witnesses. Although the great tribulation will eventually begin, 2008 cannot be the beginning of that 3 1/2 years according to a variety of biblical prophecies. I also have concerns that he and those that follow him may act even more irrationally if his 2008 prophecies do not naturally come to pass.

Because events have continually proven him wrong, Ronald Weinland, instead of publicly admitting it as he once claimed, now changed his dates. He is proven to be a false prophet and should not be listened to.

Although some have said that the doctrinal differences among the Churches of God are insignificant, this author does not believe that one can examine the teachings of groups, such as CG-PKG, and come to that conclusion (nor apparently would Herbert W. Armstrong, for proof please check out some quotes from Herbert W. Armstrong on holding fast to doctrine).

People need to realize that the Bible warns about self-appointed prophets who speak presumptuously:

21 “And if you say in your heart, ‘How shall we know the word which the LORD has not spoken?’– 22 when a prophet speaks in the name of the LORD, if the thing does not happen or come to pass, that is the thing which the LORD has not spoken; the prophet has spoken it presumptuously; you shall not be afraid of him (Deuteronomy 18:21-22).

I believe that Ronald Weinland claiming to be one of the two witnesses, while he has changed many things, seems not only unique, but wrong. Ronald Weinland is a false prophet and the world will soon learn that my warnings about him for years have been correct.

An article of related interest may be Who Are the Two Witnesses?

There are daily news, doctrinal, and prophecy updates at the Church of God News page for those interested in how world events are fulfilling Bible prophecy.

If you have read this far you are probably a current or former member of one of the Churches of God, or perhaps may have some interest in learning more about the Church of God. Two articles that may be of help are History of Early Christianity and There are Many COGs: Why Support the Living Church of God?.

You also might be interested in reading this Laodicean Warning for God’s People article which was also published in The Journal:News of the Churches of God.

Several additional articles of prophetic interest may include:

Do Certain Catholic Prophecies About Antichrist Warn Against Jesus? Will the final “Anti-Christ” be Jewish, insist on Saturday, be opposed to the trinity, and bring in the millennium? Catholic writings indicate this, but what does the Bible show?
Europa, the Beast, and Revelation Where did Europe get its name? What might Europe have to do with the Book of Revelation? What about “the Beast”?
Who is the King of the North? Is there one? Do biblical and Roman Catholic prophecies point to the same leader? Should he be followed? Who will be the King of the North discussed in Daniel 11?
The Bible and the Arab World In History and Prophecy The Bible discusses the origins of the Arab world and discusses the Middle East in prophecy. What is ahead for the Middle East and those who follow Islam?
Asia in Prophecy What is Ahead for Asia? Who are the “Kings of the East”? What will happen to nearly all the Asians?
SDA/COG Differences: Two Horned Beast of Revelation and 666 The COG is NOT part of the Seventh-day Adventists. This article explains two prophetic differences, the trinity, differences in approaching doctrine, including Ellen White.
Church of God News: Emphasizing News of Interest to those once affiliated with the Worldwide Church of God Daily news and information updates about various groups claiming to be part of the Church of God.
End of Mayan Calendar 2012 There is a Mayan calendar prediction for change in 2012. Does this Mayan prophecy have any value? Why might Satan have inspired this date? Can the tribulation begin before 2012?

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Thiel B. Concerns About Ronald Weinland’s Church of God, Preparing for the Kingdom of God. http://www.cogwriter.com (c) 2006/2007/2008 1207

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